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Talk about anything Ben 10 — the original series, Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, Omniverse, the reboot, and whatever else is on your mind.

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  • Excited about the Ben 10 Reboot this fall? We're too.

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    ![alt text]([image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgZ_sP1QIp-88QnVXorOZGnWVJqPbBW3pULg&s]) When is Spanner getting his cartoon series?
  • Ben, Gwen, Kevin, Vilgax and every alien in the Omnitrix — discuss the characters of the Ben 10 universe.
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    I miss Spanner's Ben 10 story, and I'm wonder why Ben 10's son hasn't had his own cartoon series.
  • Episode-by-episode discussion and reviews across Ben 10, Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, Omniverse and the reboot.
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    Tactical OchoaT
    There are two things that I'm going to address here with this season finale in Ultimate Alien. One, Ben's decision to kill Kevin and two, what I think is a missed opportunity with Ultimate Kevin. Now it has been a while since I've seen Ultimate Alien so if I get anything wrong, feel free to correct me on it. In regards to Ben wanting to kill Kevin, I recall seeing many in discussions argue that it was an out of character moment. That it wasn't something that Ben would've actually done. I don't think that is what makes his decision to kill Kevin the problem here. I think it's more on the matter that it wasn't handled well. Maybe even came out of nowhere and had little to no build up or something. The idea of Ben being pushed to kill someone is actually a solid direction to take the character in and this isn't the first time this actually happened in the franchise either. The Ben 10,000 episode in the Original Series established that there would be a point where Ben would kill Vilgax and do so in a rather brutal and gory fashion. In fact, the Little Moments fan fiction series very much indeed has Ben kill Vilgax in the very fashion that the Ben 10,000 episode implied and I say that it was handled quite well. This is an event that would impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. Heck, the Ken 10 episode showed Ben nearly beating Kevin 11,000 to death because Kevin harmed Ben's son, Ken. It wouldn't be out of character for Ben to be pushed into killing someone, but instead, is an important character moment for him. I just don't think that the Absolute Power season finale in Ultimate Alien handled that well. There is one thing that I do think was certainly out of character for Ben to do and that is attack Gwen. Given everything that those two have been through together, how much their relationship has improved, and how much they care for each other, I don't see Ben EVER doing that. I had that same issue with the 3D CGI Ben 10 short that was meant to promote Destroy All Aliens as well. No matter how much they fought and argued with each other, I don't see them going so far as to use the Omnitrix and magic to literally fight each other. That was one of the dumbest and nonsensical moments in Ben 10 and their fight scene with each other in Absolute Power was also dumb and nonsensical. Then there's Ultimate Kevin. I've stated plenty of times before on how I prefer for Kevin to be a villain instead of a hero and explained my reasonings as to why. I think it just seems more fitting for Kevin to be a villain and to fulfill the role of being Ben's evil reflection. I think Ultimate Kevin is a missed opportunity to put Kevin back into that very role. Not just that, but also act as a good and fitting moment that would significantly impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. I stated this in a Ben 10 Discord server that I'm in so I'm going to share it here as well. I think how I would've handled the Absolute Power finale is not have Ben decide right away that Kevin needed to be killed. Instead, have Ben contemplate how he should handle Kevin. To make a tough decision of whether if there still is a way to help Kevin or if Ben really is forced to have to kill him in order to stop him, an option that Ben doesn't want to pursue. After all, Ben is a hero. He wants to help people. Ben and Gwen work together to hatch up a plan to help Kevin. They don't fight each other. They work together. I think almost everything else from that finale can pretty much stay. Darkstar and Cooper are recruited and preparations are being made. Kevin absorbs some of Gwen's mana, thus painting a target on her, which makes Ben concerned. Kevin just hurt Gwen and the plan relies on Gwen intentionally putting herself in danger and being bait. Maybe the plan is starting to get too risky now, thus Ben contemplates his options of killing or saving Kevin again for the reason of wanting to protect Gwen. Ben cares about Gwen and doesn't want for Gwen to get hurt or worse. The plan is enacted and then things go wrong. The plan falls apart (maybe at least some of the energy and DNA that Kevin absorbed is taken out of him to be given back to his victims). Maybe Darkstar betrays the group and sabotages the machine that was supposed to turn Kevin back to normal. Maybe Kevin has too much energy and DNA in him and it causes the machine to overload and malfunction. Either way, Kevin doesn't return back to normal. Kevin is still in his mutated and insane state and he goes after Gwen. Gwen's life is in danger, pushing Ben to his limit and he nearly kills Kevin to protect her. The plan is a failure and it seems that there's pretty much nothing that can be done now to help Kevin. Kevin is too far gone and all that can be done at this point is to toss him into the Null Void. Ben and Gwen are deeply impacted by this event, thus contributing to Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. I think this is pretty much how I would've handled Absolute Power differently here. I think this would make Ben's decision to kill Kevin seem more fitting and better handled, Kevin would be a villain again, and this would be a character defining moment that would impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. If anyone has any thoughts of their own on this topic, feel free to leave a comment.
  • Ideas for new Ben 10 aliens, episodes and storylines, plus suggestions for how Ben 10 Club itself should work.
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    The Sequences: Google Drive
  • When did Ben 10 get bad?

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    @Ebomnitrix Dwayne McDuffie didn't create Ben 10. The Man of Action team did, McDuffie had a very different vision for Ben 10 and retconned a lot of things for AF/UA that Man of Action had previously established in OS. I absolutely love Dwayne's work on Statick Shock and Justice League Unlimited (JLU is my favorite cartoon ever actually), but as other people here have said, I would have preferred a Ben 10 sequel by the hands of the original creators. My answer to the question: I think there is a reason why the OS is the most popular series, and that reason is because from AF onwards a big part of the audience lost interest (I'm not talking about the hardcore fans here, I'm talking about casual friends that I know that stopped watching Ben 10 after the OS). AF storylines were amazing, but the new aliens were not as interesting as the Original Series' ones (with a few exceptions), there were a lot of retcons, and especially, the writers were in love with Kevin and made him the main star of the show, stealing the spotlight from Ben sometimes, and it didn't work out.
  • Samurai Jack Season 5 Trailer

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    Samurai jack season 5 episode 1 http://kisscartoon.se/Cartoon/Samurai-Jack-Season-5
  • TMNT 2012 CANCELLED!

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    What? It was the first TMNT series that got me interested and now it's ending? I hope that here in my country, they keep the current series' cast for the next one.
  • Ben 10 Comic Book Reboot

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    @Rexfan1333 You mentioned the MCU, and I actually had an idea to write a fanfic about Ben 10 in the MCU. The Omnitrix would have one of the infinity stones (just like Loki's Scepter had one) and Gwen would be an Inhuman (if you watch Agents of SHIELD, which is also set in the MCU, you will understand what I'm talking about). I thought about starting from Age of Ultron, replacing Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch with Ben and Gwen. But ultimately I decided to write Watch Boy & Lucky Girl because mixing MCU characters would require more skill and talent than I have at the moment. But as I said, I'm talking about real possibilities, and unfortunately, I don't think Ben 10 with Marvel is a realistic possibility. And of course, in my comic book reboot idea Ben and Gwen wouldn't be kids, they would be at least teenagers.
  • Who wants a original series 5th season?

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    I honestly don't want another season of OS, they should just do reimagining of Ben 10 with him older as well as being darker
  • Justice League and Ben 10 Bringing Action Back to CN?

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    @Tactical-Ochoa said in Justice League and Ben 10 Bringing Action Back to CN?: @james Of course. Of course they had to made another freakin cheap mobile 3D runner game. I guess thats all CN is making these days
  • Drawing requests for my Deviantart page

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    I have been suspended from Deviantart for a few weeks for my uploading of nude underage content. I will be back soon. Maybe I make a back-up user in case I get deleted.
  • Which girl is the perfect girl for Ben?

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    I prefer Gwen. In my opinion, Julie suffered a lot from being a satellite love interest, as I said in the Bwen-Gwevin topic, the writers apparently were only worried about Gwevin, and Julie was just there so they could show every once in a while that Ben had a girlfriend too. Maybe if they had paid more attention to her, I could see something more between her and Ben.
  • Why did omiverse chromastone got a redesgin

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    I actually thought the redesign looked pretty ok but i agree i dont know why they had to do it especially with it being the literal last episode of the show i don't think anyone would have cared if they left him out or just used the old design. I feel the same way about Rath in secret of dos santos. I didn't see the point in changing his design for only one appearance.
  • Is the mainstream ben 10 dead

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    People had to ruin Ben 10 omniverse and the proposed sequal because they were not buying the toys
  • Ben 10 character designs by Lysergic44

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    @Mortie-10 Thanks!
  • What would the Gwen spin-off been about?

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    That's cool. Gwen Tennyson stars as "Lucky Girl" that'll be a spin off from Ben 10. How about Max Tennyson starring in own series "Life With Grandpa Max". A new spin off series how Grandpa Max Tennyson does for a living and he travels alone without Ben and Gwen. So what do you think?
  • 17 year old ben 10 series

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    @npzman They won't continue the original franchise, they are starting from scratch. Sorry to say, but they will not continue where Omniverse left off. Till then we just have to get use to the reboot or just ignore it untill they do a better reboot.
  • Get Studio Trigger to get the rights to Ben 10

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    same here just I am tired of going to stores and having brats get in my way and try to take a item I am buying for myself and than they scream to their parents they want the toy I am buying for myself
  • Whats going on with Ben 10 Reboot Rocks?

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    Its like they're trying to take what little Ben 10 fanbase has left, like legit we need a place to express our opinions and everything for the show. So if this site goes, then so does one of its groups of remaining fandom it has left, aside Ben10FanFiction.
  • Im giving Omniverse and the Reboot a new chance

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    Wait, so are you going to start watching Omniverse? Because if so, then you need to follow the Production Order on Ben 10 Wikia, but start It Was Them before So Long and Thanks For All The Smoothies so it makes sense.
  • Is Ben 10 dead?

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    @Ben-10-Fan I still think they can turn it around and improve the reboot, I'm still not sure that the Gwen spin off is even being made, but I hope so. It might help the franchise.
  • Cartoon Networks Bad Reboots Don't Stop Here!

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    @Ebomnitrix Wow, shadows59 was right. It does look like an "invention gone wrong" type of show.
  • Nanny Nightmare,Something I Ate

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  • The Reboot taking place AFTER the original series?

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    @GoodVibes1999 @Omni-Triforcer The Ben 10 reboot is really just making the same mistake that the PPG reboot made where it relies on past knowledge with the other shows to understand a lot of what's going on. If you're going to make a reboot designed to introduce a new audience to the series, make sure that you reintroduce everything to said new audience instead of making a reboot that requires the new audience to have to go watch the previous shows just so they know know what's going on in the reboot.