@Tactical-Ochoa Given that MOA and the other writers were the ones who created him, they probably understand him better than any of us do. And apparently that's the direction which they were going to take Kevin and Charmcaster in the inital sequel Hero Generation. Even when Dwayne McDuffie was brought on he at first wanted to take that same direction with Kevin but then CN mandated Kevin being on Team Tennyson. I don't think that it's completely out of the question that Kevin improves slightly for the better but he would never realistically get close to Ben and Gwen. Perhaps vigilante is the wrong word to use but Kevin doesn't work as a world ending stakes villain as much as he does a personal rival to Ben. Perhaps they're not always purely antagonistical of each other but Kevin works when he challenges the very person whom Ben is.

If I had to redo Alien Force would've actually given him his own arc to parallel the character development which Ben goes through. Perhaps something to do with his past and how he was treated back then . Perhaps there would've been a better way to implement his shattered relationship with his own family. Though rather than going down the path of love and light like Ben does, Kevin would probably take the other road of darkness and anger.

@coreofthesun The Mr. Smoothy mascots thing was certainly the biggest killer of that finale. It's one of the biggest examples of the show being too comedic. That's a noteworthy moment that really should've been taken more seriously but the crew, for some reason, decided to play it off as a joke. It really ruined the moment.

Maybe as a extra layer of punishment

but then in Ultimate Alien Ben did said that they are out of prison but still in the null void. So I guess that is punishment enough. Forgetting that the null void itself is a prison.

The idea of Plantapocalypse is both silly and terrifying at the same time. Imagine if the alien engulfed the world...

I really like Perkins' aliens, my personal favourites are Sandbox and Transmutor

@Tactical-Ochoa K, thanks for letting me know. I think that I'll stay clear of any of this as well.

Ok, Thanks.

@KineceleranGirl I recall hearing something like that. I guess I wouldn't mind about him being a vigilante or something of the likes as long as him and Ben remain as enemies and not friends. Not only do I think Kevin is far more interesting as a villain, but I think he has the potential to be one of the best and most dangerous and terrifying villains in the franchise. Moments like what you mentioned from the Ken 10 episode I think showcased that. Kevin's powers combined with his sheer obsession towards making Ben suffer is a very dangerous recipe that could really create quite an intense conflict for Ben, Gwen, Ken, etc. to deal with.

Ikr? He’s my favorite character from the franchise altogether

I like Omniverse’s artstyle in general and the background art in particular is superb although I prefer the Classic’s artstyle. But yeah the aliens can sometimes look ridiculous and not in a good way. As a young kid I remember seeing Big Chill for the first time in Omniverse and being horrified at what they’d done to his appearance, especially since that he was aesthetically the best looking alien from UAF imo and then they turned him into a bodybuilder. The stylisation works on some designs admittedly well though.

@KineceleranGirl I love all of Perkins’ aliens as well but a few of them are probably too freaky even for Ben 10.

@KineceleranGirl I really like the effort put into the Omniverse real-time morphing as well, and it makes the fast paced action scenes much better.

@coreofthesun Granted, there were a lot of things that the writers of Alien Force didn't pay much attention to.

they all had their good and bad points so I don't really have a favorite series, they are not perfect by themselves.

Wyatt isn’t exactly that reliable when it comes to lore and often contradicts himself. So yes, I would not believe everything that he says. I appreciate him for being one of the only people still willing to answer questions about the franchise but he can come off as a jerk sometimes.

As for the topic...ngl I would absolutely love a new sequel to the original series to do it the justice it deserves in terms of continuity and tone. I wouldn’t mind an Omniverse sequel or Ken 10 so long as they are engaging shows, and an Omniverse sequel to give some kind of conclusion to the original timeline would be the most logical option I suppose

thanks @coreofthesun

@npzman I do remember Charmcaster mentioning that Ben had a magical aura of sorts as well, meaning that he could be a sorcerer with enough practice in theory, but something tells me that he’d get way too impatient to bother with the slow learning curve of magic lol.

I can't be stuffed to repeat what I just said but if you are going to advocate and defend the Bwen ship. Then I'd suggest you all to make a 2nd account with a entirely different nickname so you don't carry any Bwen baggage when you go to the major Ben 10 communities and that you be clean. No amount of Bwen gratification is worth loss missing out on having friends and respect from people. However if you like to talk about Bwen here then I can't stop you. Even if I could you'd just find a different place to talk about it.

So far I've finished two of three games I got for my PS5. Spiderman Miles Morales and Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart. I just gotta do Spiderman Remastered now.