Artwork and a New Alien

[Tactical Ochoa]

@chronosapien234 Dude, again, I'm willing to take your word for it but just saying that the information is true is not enough. Until I see the artwork for myself (again, either from you or another source), I'm not giving a full 100% confirmation that it is true. Saying that it is true is not enough for me and therefore, I am just going to notify people to be cautious of your info and inform and warn them that there is a possibility that the info isn't true. That is just how I am. Until I see the actual official artwork from someone, I am not giving a full 100% confirmation that your information is true. That is just how I am. If anyone else believes that your info is true, then that's fine with me because that's their choice. Me, I'm just being cautious yet optimistic here.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@chronosapien234 You know what, I missed one more thing that I wanted to ask you about. You say that the reboot artwork looks cooler and makes the aliens look a little better. Why? Why does the new artwork for the reboot look cooler that the art design of the Original Series? Why does making the aliens look more human in the reboot make them look a little better when compared to their designs in the Original Series? Why? Why do you think that the reboot art design is better than that of the Original Series?

Again, I'm fine if you like the reboot artwork better. I just want to know why. Don't just give me a "just because" answer either. Be a critic. Be an analyzer. Build your argument. Think carefully on your response and answer.

What I would also like to know is that since you like the reboot artwork better than the Original Series art design, how does the flash art approach to the reboot's art design prove to be better than the western animation used for the Original Series that was based off of Japanese anime? How is flash art better than western anime? Feel free to read my response to GoodVibes1999 where I argue why western anime is better to use for Ben 10 than flash art and again, think carefully and thoroughly on building your argument up.

Take your time and I don't mind if your response is long. Even if I disagree with you, at least I will have a better understanding of your views.

[chronosapien234]

To be honest, I think that the new artwork kind of does what our animation did to original pokemon.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@chronosapien234 Pokemon? What do you mean by that and what does Pokemon have to do with Ben 10? Can you please further explain this if you can?

[Tactical Ochoa]

@chronosapien234 So are you saying that you like the Ben 10 Reboot artwork because it looks like the Pokemon cartoon show?

[chronosapien234]

No @Tactical-Ochoa , I am saying that the new series makes things look more simplistic.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@chronosapien234 Ok so what, are you implying that the Original Series and the Ben 10 sequels were not simplistic? Pokemon is simplistic? Just so you know, Pokemon is a lot more complex than you think; especially considering the sheer and very large variety of the various Pokemon that scatter the world. Here's another thing, this is Ben 10. It is simplistic yet very much complex. In fact, in regards to the art design, as I stated before, the reboot art design is too cartoony. For an action show, you don't really want an art design that is simplistic that much because as I stated before flash art does not work with most action shows. Especially when it comes to Ben 10. It needs the more complex yet very flexible western anime yet western anime is also surprisingly simplistic as well. It's fine if the reboot art design wants to be simplistic but the problem here is that it's too simplistic. The Original Series art design may be complex but it is also simplistic as well. Again, western anime is flexible and is able to be both complex and simplistic. Flash art is just mostly simplistic. The reboot art design is too simplistic for Ben 10.

Again, I'm fine with what your views are. I disagree with them but I also understand them. Ben 10 is supposed to be both complex and simplistic. To have a style and elements that are complex yet easy to understand. It needs an art design that works with both complexity and simplicity and that is what western animation is there for and that is why the reboot art design (flash art or not) doesn't and can't work for the reboot show.

[chronosapien234]

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[chronosapien234]

Time to anounce the new alien! his name is overflow

[Tactical Ochoa]

Well, there's more to Overflow than just the name and that he's a water-type alien. According to chronosapien234 in chat, Overflow wears a red robotic suit and has the ability to shoot and control water as well as be able to freeze water into a very strong exoskeleton.

To me, that sounds a lot like a re-skin of Water Hazard but just more powerful. Overflow does sound like he would be useful to use but, in my opinion, he's not that creative. At least that's how I see him as.

chronosapien234 also stated that he plans to release a picture of an alien from the reboot artwork soon.

[Tactical Ochoa]

Here is another post that I want to make. chronosapien234 also states that Overflow is completely made out of water and that he needs the robotic suit to maintain his shape and to prevent Overflow from being reduced to a puddle of water. Yeah, surely sounds like Goop as well but with a full suit and not an anti-gravity multiplier device.

Here is what I don't like about Overflow and that is the suit itself. It is a misrepresentation and misunderstanding of how the Omnitrix actually works. This is a problem that I found with the sequels too. The Omnitrix is a DNA storage unit that has the ability to transform Ben into any of his aliens as well as be able to scan and collect new alien DNA into the watch itself. What it's not supposed to do is make and create tools and objects that Ben's aliens can use with that alien and Overflow is an example of this misconception. Now yes, I know that people are going to point out certain aliens such as Astrodactyl, NRG, and Goop but those aliens are examples of misrepresenting what the Omnitrix can actually and truly do. Overflow does need the suit to maintain his shape and form but Astrodactyl needs the jetpack to fly, NRG needs the suit to contain all that radiation that he gives off, and Goop needs the anti-gravity multiplier device to maintain his shape and allow movement. Despite the purpose of these items, this still doesn't excuse the fact that the Omnitrix shouldn't be able to create these very devices for Ben's aliens to use. Ripjaws needs water in order to survive and breath but does the Omnitrix create some water suit to allow Ripjaws to be fine on land? No it does not. In fact, look at every alien in the Original Series. Do any of these aliens come with a device or tool for them to use and allow them to function? That's a no. Overall, Overflow should not be getting a suit regardless of the purpose of that suit because it misrepresents how the Omnitrix actually works and it shows that Cartoon Network still doesn't truly understand the world of Ben 10 and how it actually works.

That's not the worse part though. I recently found this out that makes the situation with Overflow even worse. I found some fan made images of a water-type alien called Overflow. The fan made Overflow is completely made out of water and looks very similar to the description that chronosapien234 gave me for the new official alien in the Ben 10 Reboot. That's right, based off of the description alone, the official reboot Overflow and the fan made Overflow seem quite similar to each other except for the reboot Overflow using a suit. If this information (let alone the name itself) about the reboot Overflow is correct, then Cartoon Network could possibly have opened themselves up to a lawsuit. The fact that Overflow uses a red robotic suit could likely not even be enough to warrant that possibility of a lawsuit off either. This could spell quite a lot of trouble with the Ben 10 Reboot and Cartoon Network themselves if, again, this information about Overflow is correct.

Here are the links to the fan made Overflow. These are not the official images of the Ben 10 Reboot Overflow. chronosapien234 said that he'll release images of the reboot artwork soon so we'll see this new alien for ourselves when this happens. Feel free to take a look at these links and give me your thoughts on this ordeal with the reboot Overflow and the fan made Overflow.

http://ben10fanfiction.wikia.com/wiki/Overflow
http://kjmarch.deviantart.com/art/Overflow-68770133
http://ben10fanfiction.wikia.com/wiki/Overflow_(Alien_Alliance)

[chronosapien234]

That overflow looks nothing like the reboot overflow.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@chronosapien234 They don't have to look different. You said that the reboot Overflow is completely made out of water. So is the fan made Overflow. The only difference that these two aliens seem to only have is that the reboot Overflow wears a red robotic suit, which would likely not be enough to warrant off a lawsuit. Even the name of the new alien could be enough to put Cartoon Network into a possible lawsuit.

[admin]

@Tactical-Ochoa said:

The fact that Overflow uses a red robotic suit could likely not even be enough to warrant that possibility of a lawsuit off either. This

Cartoon Network will not be put in a lawsuit because of Wikia's sharing license. And also, I don't think the creator of the fan-made Overflow will fight for his rights anyway.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@admin Well, I did say that it's a possibility. What about DeviantArt? Does Cartoon Network have a sharing license with them? Plus, you never know. The creator of the fan-made Overflow could fight for his/her rights. Again, it's all a possibility. We'll never actually know until we see it happen or not. At least that's how I see it.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@admin There's also the responses from other Ben 10 fans and viewers as well. How they will respond when they find out the points that I make with the flaws of Overflow. Lawsuit or not, there is also the possibility that this could cause some more bad reputation towards Cartoon Network and the Ben 10 Reboot. After all, the Ben 10 Reboot and Cartoon Network already got some bed rep as it is. There's always going to be the possibility that the worse case scenario can happen and that is something that I want to try and prevent through my efforts to convince Cartoon Network not to make the reboot of the Original Series.

[admin]

@Tactical-Ochoa said:

@admin Well, I did say that it's a possibility. What about DeviantArt? Does Cartoon Network have a sharing license with them? Plus, you never know. The creator of the fan-made Overflow could fight for his/her rights. Again, it's all a possibility. We'll never actually know until we see it happen or not. At least that's how I see it.

It depends on where Overflow was published first. I would be really curious if the creator fights for the rights.

[admin]

By the way, this is not the first time CN would use fan-art. Bloxx, for an example, was an idea of a fan. They just changed the name and the design a little bit. But the abilities remained almost the same.

[admin]

Here's a proof. I've known this list since 2008-2009.
http://img11.deviantart.net/def4/i/2008/111/2/b/ben_10_alien_index_3_by_kjmarch.jpg
http://img09.deviantart.net/b3a2/i/2007/326/6/2/ben_10_alien_index_2_by_kjmarch.jpg (you can see Overflow here)

[Tactical Ochoa]

@admin That is true. I'm more worried than curious because to me this is making the reboot look even more worse if problems like this keep popping up.

As for fan ideas, well, as long as the fans give CN permission to use those ideas, then I don't mind at all. I mean like heck, I would be more than willing to give CN and MOA my ideas for Ben 10 and permission to use them. Heck, I would love to make my video game idea actually happen. Overall, as long as fans are willing to give permission for CN to use their ideas, then I'm completely fine. I would even encourage it. Give fans a chance to be involved in the production of their favorite series. Who knows, there could be the possibility that the creator of Overflow gave CN permission to use Overflow in the reboot. Right now, pretty much anything is a possibility because we don't know much about what's going on with the reboot.

I saw that image that you posted before too. Fans can have some really great ideas with them. Again, I would even encourage fans to offer up ideas if they want to just as long as they give permission for CN to use those ideas. Don't really like Bloxx though. I mean like an alien made out of legos. That just so stupid, in my opinion. I mean like heck, the aliens that this person thought up would be better to use than at least most of the aliens that we got in Omniverse. This is a really good list too.