Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 4: Show/Episode Discussions cont.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@james From what I can tell here with this clip along with everything else that we know about season 2, it's like what I said before. This look like it's just going to be more of the same as what we got in season 1.

@Andrew42 How does this even feel like what we got from the original show?

[ultraalien]

@tactical-ochoa said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 4: Show/Episode Discussions cont.:

@james From what I can tell here with this clip along with everything else that we know about season 2, it's like what I said before. This look like it's just going to be more of the same as what we got in season 1.

I don't think the 11 minute episode format is working well for Ben 10. The sudden Omni-Enhance alien just doesn't appear out of nowhere without explanation.

[jondennison72]

Can't wait to see more new Ben 10 reboot episode c;ips "Out To Launch" and " Can I Keep Him?" when they aired this week. Keep 'em coming LOL

[Offbeatcat]

@tactical-ochoa He feels like a 10 year old. The way he approaches things. How he acts and talks. Since you're an adult critic, you've probably overlooked that detail. Ben's personality really doesn't feel out of place to me. He hides the Cadobbit under a BLANKET. I used to do that all the time when i was hiding things from my family. Point is, he's just a kid who found a watch that turns him into aliens. Not a mature adult.

[csgt]

@ultraalien I think this clip is from episode 2, "Can I Keep It". The first episode is actually "Out to Launch", perhaps they'll explain the Omni-Enhance there (I hope they do, otherwise I agree, it will be too random and sudden)

[Ebomnitrix]

I had a friend who watched it in the UK.
He said Episode 1 does explain and that when Vilgax comes back, he does have a bit of a lava scar on his face. Apparently Ben does the Omni-Enhancement by accident when he's Diamondhead, he didn't know how he triggered it but yeah.
Aliens: XLR8, Grey Matter (sequence), Diamondhead (sequence, Enhanced)

Episode 2 is just another Dr. Animo episode but with Ben wanting to keep a Catdobbit (Cat+Dog+Rabbit) as a pet (before finding out it's Animo's), but Ben has pet allergies in this series.
Aliens: Four Arms, Heatblast, Wildvine (x2), Diamondhead, XLR8, Grey Matter (sequence, Enhanced)

Also apparently Dr. Animo has been a big part of being a main villain in this series, as this episode will further go into detail with it, especially since later this week there's a team up.

[Offbeatcat]

@ebomnitrix Intriguing. Is your friend a reliable source?

[Ebomnitrix]

He literally watched it on TV, and lives in the UK, and I was just talking to him in a Discord server. The information is also now on the Ben 10 Wikia so....

[csgt]

@ebomnitrix Does your friend know anything about the 11th alien that was teased in the end of Season 1? I think it may be connected to the Omni-Enhance

[Offbeatcat]

The reboot episodes sound promising. Especially Animomorphosis. I've always wanted to see vilgax and Dr. Animo team up. Plus, who knows what animo could do with alien dna. And if they're meddling with the omnitrix, ben could accidentally turn into the new alien or something.

[Ebomnitrix]

So Alien 11 didn't show up.
Gwen and Max however don't see the Omni-Enhancement until the Grey Matter clip which is Episode 2, Ben's first time using it was accidentally as Diamondhead when he fought Vilgax. They also didn't establish the Omni-Enhancement to them, so it leads to tomorrow if they're going to ask about it or not.

[Offbeatcat]

@ebomnitrix if they don't ask or even acknowledge it as something new, the reboot's second season probably won't do well.

[Ebomnitrix]

Remember Ben 10 is trying to be episodic about their adventures, if you're expecting every episode to be about plot, then you're asking for too much in a Ben 10 series.
If you want a plot based Ben 10 series go back and watch UAF, because OS, OV and the Reboot are mostly episodic and the new show is puzzle piecing.
For a second season, its already off to a great start, so just stay tuned and expect Season 2 to be like Season 1 but just a little bit better. If any of you were expecting more after Omni-Tricked, I'm sorry to disappoint you but if the Omni-Enhancements don't do it for you, then the rest of the show won't then.

[Offbeatcat]

@ebomnitrix i don't want an overarching story, i just want someone like gwen to be like: How'd you do that?

[Ebomnitrix]

The first episode actually explains it, Gwen's watching the fight scene.
Some kid uploaded 9 of 11 minutes of it so enjoy!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h45ZneHm6PI

[Offbeatcat]

I'll be honest. I was pleased with what i saw. The armored diamond head was awesome, and vilgax was pretty cool. The "tan line" was weird to look at, but it was bit of continuity to the show, so that's nice. I felt the omnitrix timed out too fast, but in retrospect, it's always been unpredictable. Ben's actions didn't feel out of place, though i feel like he should've gone for stinkfly instead of XLR8. so yeah, those are my first impressions. Don't worry @Tactical-Ochoa. You can still dislike it and say its not as good as the original.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@andrew42 said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 4: Show/Episode Discussions cont.:

@tactical-ochoa He feels like a 10 year old. The way he approaches things. How he acts and talks. Since you're an adult critic, you've probably overlooked that detail. Ben's personality really doesn't feel out of place to me. He hides the Cadobbit under a BLANKET. I used to do that all the time when i was hiding things from my family. Point is, he's just a kid who found a watch that turns him into aliens. Not a mature adult.

So because Ben acts like a 10-year-old, it makes the reboot more like the original show. That's your reasoning here? Not because of the implementation of story arcs, character development, extreme scenes (such as Zombozo stealing positive energy from people, Zs'Skayr possessing Gwen and almost forcing her to commit suicide against her will, the hints of abuse that Kevin and Charmcaster went through, etc), etc etc etc? In Code Name Kids Next Door, pretty much every kid in that show acts like how actual kids behave. Does that make KND more like the original Ben 10? No because those are very different shows. I saw the 2017 remake of Stephen King's It. One of the many things that I like from that film is that the child actors act like how actual kids behave alongside them being really great at their roles. Does that make the film more like the original Ben 10? No because It is very different from Ben 10.

Also, how does me being an adult have anything to do with how I view fictional child characters. I used to be a kid and I remember how I was like as a kid. I remember how a lot of kids behaved when I was a kid. Hell, I still often see how kids behave today. Let's not forget that the Original Series is also my most favorite show in the franchise so far and I remember first watching it at the age of 11. Also, even though Ben is a 10-year-old kid, he is constantly putting himself in very dangerous situations where one wrong move can mean the death of Ben himself and/or the death of others. He may not be an adult but it is expected for him to be more responsible and mature because he is putting himself in adult-like situations. This is something that we very much see in the original show where often times Ben does act like a 10-year-old kid but also often times shows a lot of maturity and responsibility as a hero. Something that we see more often coming out of Ben in the original show compared to Ben in the reboot show.

Ben may be a child in this show but he is also a fictional character that is constantly putting himself in adult-like situations, just like many other fictional characters regardless of their ages. Also, me being an adult has nothing to do with how I view fictional child characters and the same goes for every other adult critic. Ben being a 10-year-old has very little to do with how the Original Series was like and has very little to do with whether or not the reboot is more like the Original Series.

And yeah, I still think the reboot is not as good as the original and that is very much justifiable to say since that this current Ben 10 show is a reboot that uses the very same exact premise as the original show and even copies a lot, and I mean A LOT, from the original show. As I said plenty of times before, how can fans and viewers not compare the reboot to the original if the reboot keeps reminding them of the original? Even if I don't compare the reboot to the original show, I still don't find it to be a good show. It's decent at best.

[Offbeatcat]

You know, every time we have this discussion, you go back to: "I grew up with ben 10, so i know how it should be." If you had your way, the series would be dead. After the original, nothing. It's 2017, and cartoon network has a very kid friendly image. And you'd rather have little kids get scared and possibly scarred for life by adult scenarios.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@andrew42 Every time? I believe this is the first time I ever stated to you that I grew up with Ben 10. If not, I definitely did not tell you in every discussion that we had that I "grew up with Ben 10 so I know how it should be." I state what I think how Ben 10 should be based on what the franchise did right and wrong and based on all of my knowledge on how to set up a good show/film/video game/etc. How would you know that if I had things my way with Ben 10, the franchise would be dead? I never worked on Ben 10. I hope to get my Ben 10 video game idea made into an actual game in the future and I know that a lot of fans really like my idea. How would you know that me being in charge of making a Ben 10 show would mean the end of Ben 10? What if I make a Ben 10 show or video game and it turns out to be very success and popular?

Also, I never intend to scare little kids and possibly scar them for life with adult scenarios. If I intend to make a kid friendly cartoon, I would keep it kid friendly. If I were to make a Ben 10 show, I want for fans and viewers to like it. I said that Ben often puts himself in adult-like situations. I also said that the original show had some pretty crazy moments in it and I obviously didn't make the original show. That was Man of Action and the very people that worked at Cartoon Network Studios over 10 years ago. The original show still turned out to be very successful and very popular. I was a kid when I first saw Ben 10. I was once never scared and scarred by those very scenes and considering that again the show turned out to be very successful and popular, the same goes for every other kid that liked the original Ben 10. Courage the Cowardly Dog had some pretty scary scenes and kids weren't scarred by it. The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy had some pretty crazy stuff in it and kids weren't scarred by that show. The original Powerpuff Girls was a really violent show with some really crazy scenes in it and even went as far as to have stuff like blood in it. Kids weren't scarred by it.

And no, just because it's 2017 doesn't mean that certain things can and can't be done with Ben 10. The current year has nothing to do with how the entertainment industry should be and what it can and can't do. Ben 10 is part of entertainment art and because of that, it is free to be expressed in however way people want for it to be expressed as. If Cartoon Network and Man of Action wanted to, they could've put Ben 10 on Adult Swim. It worked very well with Samurai Jack after all. Ben 10 could be put on Netflix or could be made by a Japanese animation company (something that I recall plenty of users on this website wanting to see happen to Ben 10). Once again, the current year has nothing to do with how Ben 10 should be.

[jondennison72]

I wonder when their gonna aired more new episodes of Ben 10 reboot season 2 including "Can I keep it"?