@npzman Who knows.

Is there any sign of Cartoon Network having a Renaissance of some sorts with regards to the types of shows which they start showing? Because it doesn't look that way at the moment with Teen Titans Go dominating the schedule, and it looks like the "comedy" format of shows is what generates the most money for CN and looks like that's what it will be like going forward, with the reboot sequel likely to follow suit. The reboot isn't the worst show on Cartoon Network and I don't wish to be a jerk and upset the people who enjoy it. I just believe that not only the long-time fans, but the kids too deserve better - heck, my little 9 year old brother think that the reboot "tries too hard to be funny and ends up being stupid" . Although his favourite series is Omniverse, he finds episodes of the original 2006 series way more enjoyable to watch than the reboot - and this is all without me suggesting to him at all that the reboot is not as good as the OS. Children aren't as stupid as CN seem to think and if they do make any kind of continuation I just hope that they treat their viewers with respect and allow the writers as much freedom as possible. I was having a discussion with someone on Reddit as to what would happen if they started showing Original Series reruns after the reboot ends, to which they said that the more detailed art style alone (and how it is different from most CN art styles nowadays) may catch the attention of kids and the story and charm of the original would do the rest. I've lurked around forums like this for a while so am familiar with @Tactical-Ochoa 's idea to make a new sequel to the original series exploring an alternate AF timeline and attempting to make the continuity more streamlined and improve on where the sequels slipped up (I believe that Alien Force, Ultimate Alien and Omniverse were all good shows in themselves but not good sequels). That could've really worked back in 2016 but I think that with the 2016 reboot wiping the slate clean it may confuse viewers as to which shows belong to which timelines. Reboots are fine since they give writers another shot at doing a show right. I'm sure that when Ben 10 started the creators didn't think of all their ideas from the beginning, and obviously with the retcons the original timeline became a bit messy. A Ben 10 reboot could've been the chance to fix those issues and create a smooth timeline by taking the best aspects from across the franchise and merging them into one. An example of a good reboot is one of my favourite comic series: "Ultimate Spider-Man" by Brian Michael Bendis (which I've mentioned here before - I am quite a big Spider-Man fan as well as a Ben 10 fan lol). Sure the comic re-interpreted a few characters and had a more grounded story, but in the end it kept true to the core themes of what makes Spider-Man such a good character which is why while not perfect, it was a great reimagining of the character. But unfortunately a lot of reboots these days seem to be more inclined to advertising toys and merch by using the name of the franchise to attract interest, and I hope that changes /wall of text over.

@coreofthesun Venom is a better comparison to Kevin. I wouldn't be surprised either if the creation of Ben was inspired by Peter. Makes sense to me since that Man of Action were former Marvel writers before they formed Man of Action. That's one of the things that made Ben at his best. When he's being cocky and fun-loving yet also mature and serious. This is something that I think the Original Series did well with and the sequel shows and the reboot show often fell short on. Ben was either too serious and therefore boring and uninteresting to watch or too much of a goofball and therefore became annoying and unlikable. I felt that the Original Series had a good balance between the two sides of Ben. In fact, I say that the Original Series had a good balance of a lot of things. The characters, the tone, etc. I think it also helps that Ben had Gwen by his side. I think one of Omniverse's biggest mistakes was separating Ben and Gwen. Those two just work so well together. They balance each other out. They keep each other in check. They're like Batman and Robin, or on the topic of Spider Man, like Peter Parker and Mary Jane. I think Ben doesn't work well as a character without Gwen and vice versa. It's why I don't think Ben worked well as a character in Omniverse and it's why I don't think a Gwen spin-off show would work either.

@Tactical-Ochoa hey I always wanted to do a Ben 10 story

@cooljay7 hey I love ben 10 cause he was sexy

For those wondering why I want to know this stuff, it's because of this suggestion I made about listing TV Networks that aired a Ben 10 show around the world for the Ben 10 wiki. Today a wiki admin has just highlighted the blog post and it will be up for voting for 7 days. https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Npzman1/List_of_TV_stations_that_aired_Ben_10_around_the_world If you have held a fandom.com account for 7 days, made 15 big wiki edits, and made 5 small wiki edits within the last two months for the Ben 10 Wiki. Then hop over to that link above and vote to support this proposal of mine. Let's get this done.

@npzman Did I say that I wasn't into them? I don't recall that. Also, I'm pretty sure that Insomniac's Spider-Man games aren't platformers. They're open world action games. Unless it shows up on PC, I won't be playing it for a while. I haven't owned a Playstation console since the Playstation 1 and I won't be getting a new console for quite a while. I'm pretty well settled with my gaming PC at the moment. I also don't recall saying that I'm always into more mature and darker games.

@npzman I mean I don’t dislike UAF - it was the era which I grew up with first after all, and there were some awesome concepts in it. The idea of the Highbreed was excellent, as were the DNAliens (given that they were innocent humans under mind control rather than your standard beat ‘em up bad guys). I respect Mcduffie’s writing and honestly, as its own series Alien Force (and by extension Ultimate Alien) works really well as a show. What I will say though is that UAF was not a great *sequel * to the original series. People love to complain about Omniverse’s retcons and plot inconsistencies when they really started all the way back in Alien Force. The Plumbers being changed from a secret organisation dedicated to protecting Earth from aliens into an intergalactic peace force, Kevin being an alien rather than a mutant and most of all the functionality of the Omnitrix being super inconsistent. If the writers had watched the original series properly the sequels would probably be way more watchable.

@npzman Tried that. It didnt work.

@Mortie-10 said in Has anyone been caught up with the latest cartoon network show: Infinity Train is the only good Cartoon Network show right now. Too bad they cancelled it by cutting the show down from a planned 8 seasons to now 4 seasons. Yet they rather go back to live action. Really shaking my head here

Yeah DC offers content for both children and edgy stuff for adults, I don't see why it can't happen under sister platform from CN. I hope it's UAF or UAF inspired

If Ben 10 gets an HBO Max show in the future, I hope we can have a scene with a completely naked Gwen for once. I mean, the girl (I dont remember her name) in Close Enough was naked in one of the season 2 episodes, and only her hands was censoring her. And that was on HBO Max. Really hope that we get to see Gwen in a similar situation.

I really hope Ben Prime comes back, or else the special have no point in excisting.

Why did I even say hyped at all When it's out I will watch it. If it ends up good then great I guess. It really gonna be my first time watching the reboot outside the first few episodes. If the execution of the original characters turns out to be terrible, well honestly I couldn't expect less from them.

@Tactical-Ochoa I read the series about a year ago and I must say that it is incredibly well written especially considering that it is a fanfiction. While I’m personally not a Bwen shipper (I always saw their relationship akin to a bond between close siblings) the entire Little Moments universe is incredibly well written and there are little things in it which just contribute so much to the narrative (eg. Ben’s relationship with his parents, something I really thought should’ve been explored in Alien Force). I’ve been thinking for a while about starting on a fan comic exploring an alternate timeline of the events of Alien Force. The Highbreed arc would still happen similarly and Ben would have to don the Omnitrix for the first time in years. There would be a few differences though - the first of which being that I’d try and explore the possibilities of Charmcaster being the one to (at first grudgingly) have to work with Ben and Gwen but eventually softening and becoming a better person over time despite being haunted by her past. I always thought that it would be an interesting idea to have Kevin as a vigilante or even a villain - I’ve been reading some Batman comics recently and I really think that Ben and Kevin could have an interesting Batman-Joker dynamic between them. One of the key themes of Alien Force was meant to be Ben becoming leader but he didn’t really have a proper team to lead for the majority of the time, so I thought that involving Cooper and Alan in the story could work well - with the other Plumber’s kids being introduced later down the line. I’m not a super talented artist (though I can draw decently and have done a few concept sketches ) and while I have written decent short stories for fun before this would be way tougher. Everything is just ideas and brainstorms right now given that I don’t have too much time on my hands at the moment.. Just thought that I’d share the idea.