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    Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions

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    • Ultimate OmniTri
      Ultimate OmniTri Moderator @csgt last edited by

      @csgt said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:

      @GoodVibes1999 I actually think Albedo was created to replace Kevin as "Evil Ben" after AF writers decided to make Kevin the hero of the show.

      Is Kevin confirmed to appear in the reboot? I think he is kind of a "toxic" character to use now. Obviously, MOA originally intended him to be a villain (The OS episode "Ken 10" is proof that MOA never wanted to redeem Kevin), but now it would be hard to write him the way they want without getting backlash from a lot of AF/UA/OV fans, so maybe they will simple ignore him instead - Or not, since they are already getting backlash from fans anyway xD

      [Por falar nisso, você sabe se já começou a passar aqui no Brasil?]

      MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.

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      • Tactical Ochoa
        Tactical Ochoa last edited by

        Speaking of Kevin and composite characters, if you read up about the reboot Frightwig on TvTropes, it explains that she's a composite character. Frightwig displays characteristics of being mischievous like Ben but in a more villainous way as well as TvTropes pulling out parallels with Frightwig's hair and Ben's Omnitrix. Basically, TvTropes compares Frightwig to Kevin, saying how she has similar personalities to Ben but darker much like Kevin did in the Original Series, thus acting as Ben's evil counterpart. I guess I kind of see that in her. So for anyone that thinks that Frightwig is more interesting, this is why. I guess the reboot Frightwig is the new Kevin here. Maybe. However, this created a big concern for me.

        IF this really is how they're portraying Frightwig in the Ben 10 reboot, then what does that mean for Kevin? Is he going to make an appearance? If so, how is he going to be portrayed? What makes Kevin at his best is him being that very true evil counterpart to Ben and as I explained many times in the past, Kevin doesn't work well outside of that. To me, it feels like they dug themselves into a corner with these characters.

        If they bring back Kevin and make him like he was in the Original Series, then the changes they made to Frightwig in the reboot are pretty much pointless. Instead of taking Frightwig and changing her, they could've just bring back Kevin instead. If they bring back Kevin and they change him to be different from his Original Series self, then that would undermine Kevin as a character and his purpose as a villain. If they decide not to bring Kevin back, then they lose one of the most significant and necessary villains in the franchise and the reboot will get hit hard for that. At least that's my take on it.

        @Omni-Triforcer Duncan Rouleau confirmed that Kevin was supposed to be an anti-hero. Even then, if they stuck to the Ben 10,000 future shown in the Original Series, then that would mean that eventually Kevin would end up going back to his old ways and being a villain again.

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        • GoodVibes1999
          GoodVibes1999 last edited by

          I actually just used Albedo as an example because he was the only villain I remembered in the moment. Since Frightwig in the reboot is a composite character of herself and Kevin (according to TV Tropes), I am pretty sure he is going to appear but in a different way.

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          • Ebomnitrix
            Ebomnitrix Ben 10 Fans last edited by

            Actually not just Kevin @Tactical-Ochoa but Charmcaster too, but that was planned for "Hero Generations" when those two were meant to be anti-heroes, but instead it was ignored along with other ideas so idk?

            It's Action Time!

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            • Tactical Ochoa
              Tactical Ochoa @Ebomnitrix last edited by

              @Ebomnitrix Yeah, I know. I'm the one that made the topic page where I give my thoughts and arguments on that.
              https://ben10club.org/topic/160/kevin-and-charmcaster-s-actual-character-development

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              • npzman
                npzman Ben 10 Fans last edited by

                I have a feeling that the 6th series of Ben 10 will be a sequal to the reboot. That will be hero generations Charmcaster will replace ben.

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                  Ultimate OmniTri Moderator @npzman last edited by

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                  • Ultimate OmniTri
                    Ultimate OmniTri Moderator @npzman last edited by

                    @npzman said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:

                    I have a feeling that the 6th series of Ben 10 will be a sequal to the reboot. That will be hero generations Charmcaster will replace ben.

                    Um what do you mean charmcaster will replace ben? Hes the star of the show lol

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                    • npzman
                      npzman Ben 10 Fans @Ultimate OmniTri last edited by

                      @Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:

                      Um what do you mean charmcaster will replace ben? Hes the star of the show lol

                      I mean replace Kevin my mistake not Ben. I was typing too fast

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                      • csgt
                        csgt @Ultimate OmniTri last edited by csgt

                        @Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:

                        MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.

                        Actually, MoA said Kevin and Charmcaster were always supposed to be “anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen”, that's very different from redemption. Take X-Men comics as an example, Magneto is an anti-hero foil to Charles Xavier. Magneto can even do good sometimes and join forces with the X-Men, but he always retains his shady personality and never becomes a "good guy". Based on all the evidence from OS, I'm sure MoA wouldn't do anything remotely alike to what AF did, making Kevin into Ben's BFF and Gwen's boyfriend, and retconing almost everything from his past (Max and Kevin's dad were partners and friends? Max didn't even know Kevin in OS.)

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                        • csgt
                          csgt @Tactical Ochoa last edited by

                          @Tactical-Ochoa Very interesting. Speaking for myself, I didn't pick up on any similarities between Reboot Frightwig and Kevin. I think it might be just a coincidence, or maybe someone reading too much in between the lines. I liked Reboot Frightwig, and I don't think it would hurt her portrayal to have Kevin around as a villain too.

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                          • Ultimate OmniTri
                            Ultimate OmniTri Moderator @csgt last edited by

                            @csgt said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:

                            @Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:

                            MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.

                            Actually, MoA said Kevin and Charmcaster were always supposed to be “anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen”, that's very different from redemption. Take X-Men comics as an example, Magneto is an anti-hero foil to Charles Xavier. Magneto can even do good sometimes and join forces with the X-Men, but he always retains his shady personality and never becomes a "good guy". Based on all the evidence from OS, I'm sure MoA wouldn't do anything remotely alike to what AF did, making Kevin into Ben's BFF and Gwen's boyfriend, and retconing almost everything from his past (Max and Kevin's dad were partners and friends? Max didn't even know Kevin in OS.)

                            Dont forget they also retconned that last part in Omniverse

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                              JrPhilgene last edited by

                              i honestly didn't have a problem with kevin and ben being best friends in UAF it kinda gave ben that older brother figure that he could look up to in certain situations like when cash and jt picked on ben i do think that gwen and kevins relationship was rushed though

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                              • jondennison72
                                jondennison72 Ben 10 Fans last edited by

                                I wonder when kisscartoon.me gonna show new Ben 10 Reboot episodes 31-36 including "Max To The Max" real soon?

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                                  Spookyohno @jondennison72 last edited by

                                  @jondennison72 I don't think the new episodes have aired yet.

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                                    JrPhilgene @Spookyohno last edited by

                                    @Spookyohno if I remember correctly they air today in the uk

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                                      JrPhilgene last edited by

                                      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hLD2OF7HVoE new promo dropped

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                                        JrPhilgene last edited by

                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H08XiNEbNAk another clip

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                                          Tactical Ochoa @JrPhilgene last edited by

                                          @JrPhilgene The second clip that you posted is from the episode, Forgeti, which premiered at some special event in I think Texas to promote the US premiere of the Ben 10 reboot. I think it was something like SXSW 2017 or something of the likes. It's about Gwen finding this yeti in a forest while her and Ben are trying to rescue Max from Dr. Animo. I saw the episode a while ago on a YouTube channel, SPIDEREYE 10, but the channel's been terminated due to copyright claims. It's really just more of the same as every other episode.

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                                          • Ultimate OmniTri
                                            Ultimate OmniTri Moderator @Tactical Ochoa last edited by

                                            @Tactical-Ochoa said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:

                                            @JrPhilgene The second clip that you posted is from the episode, Forgeti, which premiered at some special event in I think Texas to promote the US premiere of the Ben 10 reboot. I think it was something like SXSW 2017 or something of the likes. It's about Gwen finding this yeti in a forest while her and Ben are trying to rescue Max from Dr. Animo. I saw the episode a while ago on a YouTube channel, SPIDEREYE 10, but the channel's been terminated due to copyright claims. It's really just more of the same as every other episode.

                                            Huh i never saw it!

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