Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions
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@npzman said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
Well don't you also think it is actually even too soon to reboot the series ?
Ha. Apparently you havent heard of a little something called Spider-man whos movies have been rebooted 3 times in the past 10 years. Oh and Teenage mutant ninja turtles who frequently get rebooted. So no its not to soon for it to get rebooted.
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A reboot was the only sensible choice if they continued the series after omniverse fans would eventually get fed up.plus with all the changes that were made to the ben10 timeline over the years the plot would be all over the place anyway
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Sorry for changing the subject entirely, but am I the only one who thinks that reboot Vilgax will be a composite character (read about it on TV Tropes) of himself and Khyber? And what are the chances that Kevin and Charmcaster will also be composite characters of themselves and other villains? I bet Kevin would be one of himself and Albedo.
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Sorry for changing the subject entirely, but am I the only one who thinks that reboot Vilgax will be a composite character (read about it on TV Tropes) of himself and Khyber? And what are the chances that Kevin and Charmcaster will also be composite characters of themselves and other villains? I bet Kevin would be one of himself and Albedo.
@GoodVibes1999 i ddon't think albedo would work well with kevin
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Sorry for changing the subject entirely, but am I the only one who thinks that reboot Vilgax will be a composite character (read about it on TV Tropes) of himself and Khyber? And what are the chances that Kevin and Charmcaster will also be composite characters of themselves and other villains? I bet Kevin would be one of himself and Albedo.
@GoodVibes1999 I actually think Albedo was created to replace Kevin as "Evil Ben" after AF writers decided to make Kevin the hero of the show.
Is Kevin confirmed to appear in the reboot? I think he is kind of a "toxic" character to use now. Obviously, MOA originally intended him to be a villain (The OS episode "Ken 10" is proof that MOA never wanted to redeem Kevin), but now it would be hard to write him the way they want without getting backlash from a lot of AF/UA/OV fans, so maybe they will simple ignore him instead - Or not, since they are already getting backlash from fans anyway xD
[Por falar nisso, você sabe se já começou a passar aqui no Brasil?]
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@GoodVibes1999 I actually think Albedo was created to replace Kevin as "Evil Ben" after AF writers decided to make Kevin the hero of the show.
Is Kevin confirmed to appear in the reboot? I think he is kind of a "toxic" character to use now. Obviously, MOA originally intended him to be a villain (The OS episode "Ken 10" is proof that MOA never wanted to redeem Kevin), but now it would be hard to write him the way they want without getting backlash from a lot of AF/UA/OV fans, so maybe they will simple ignore him instead - Or not, since they are already getting backlash from fans anyway xD
[Por falar nisso, você sabe se já começou a passar aqui no Brasil?]
@csgt said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@GoodVibes1999 I actually think Albedo was created to replace Kevin as "Evil Ben" after AF writers decided to make Kevin the hero of the show.
Is Kevin confirmed to appear in the reboot? I think he is kind of a "toxic" character to use now. Obviously, MOA originally intended him to be a villain (The OS episode "Ken 10" is proof that MOA never wanted to redeem Kevin), but now it would be hard to write him the way they want without getting backlash from a lot of AF/UA/OV fans, so maybe they will simple ignore him instead - Or not, since they are already getting backlash from fans anyway xD
[Por falar nisso, você sabe se já começou a passar aqui no Brasil?]
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
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Speaking of Kevin and composite characters, if you read up about the reboot Frightwig on TvTropes, it explains that she's a composite character. Frightwig displays characteristics of being mischievous like Ben but in a more villainous way as well as TvTropes pulling out parallels with Frightwig's hair and Ben's Omnitrix. Basically, TvTropes compares Frightwig to Kevin, saying how she has similar personalities to Ben but darker much like Kevin did in the Original Series, thus acting as Ben's evil counterpart. I guess I kind of see that in her. So for anyone that thinks that Frightwig is more interesting, this is why. I guess the reboot Frightwig is the new Kevin here. Maybe. However, this created a big concern for me.
IF this really is how they're portraying Frightwig in the Ben 10 reboot, then what does that mean for Kevin? Is he going to make an appearance? If so, how is he going to be portrayed? What makes Kevin at his best is him being that very true evil counterpart to Ben and as I explained many times in the past, Kevin doesn't work well outside of that. To me, it feels like they dug themselves into a corner with these characters.
If they bring back Kevin and make him like he was in the Original Series, then the changes they made to Frightwig in the reboot are pretty much pointless. Instead of taking Frightwig and changing her, they could've just bring back Kevin instead. If they bring back Kevin and they change him to be different from his Original Series self, then that would undermine Kevin as a character and his purpose as a villain. If they decide not to bring Kevin back, then they lose one of the most significant and necessary villains in the franchise and the reboot will get hit hard for that. At least that's my take on it.
@Omni-Triforcer Duncan Rouleau confirmed that Kevin was supposed to be an anti-hero. Even then, if they stuck to the Ben 10,000 future shown in the Original Series, then that would mean that eventually Kevin would end up going back to his old ways and being a villain again.
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I actually just used Albedo as an example because he was the only villain I remembered in the moment. Since Frightwig in the reboot is a composite character of herself and Kevin (according to TV Tropes), I am pretty sure he is going to appear but in a different way.
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Actually not just Kevin @Tactical-Ochoa but Charmcaster too, but that was planned for "Hero Generations" when those two were meant to be anti-heroes, but instead it was ignored along with other ideas so idk?
It's Action Time!
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Actually not just Kevin @Tactical-Ochoa but Charmcaster too, but that was planned for "Hero Generations" when those two were meant to be anti-heroes, but instead it was ignored along with other ideas so idk?
@Ebomnitrix Yeah, I know. I'm the one that made the topic page where I give my thoughts and arguments on that.
https://ben10club.org/topic/160/kevin-and-charmcaster-s-actual-character-development -
I have a feeling that the 6th series of Ben 10 will be a sequal to the reboot. That will be hero generations Charmcaster will replace ben.
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I have a feeling that the 6th series of Ben 10 will be a sequal to the reboot. That will be hero generations Charmcaster will replace ben.
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I have a feeling that the 6th series of Ben 10 will be a sequal to the reboot. That will be hero generations Charmcaster will replace ben.
@npzman said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
I have a feeling that the 6th series of Ben 10 will be a sequal to the reboot. That will be hero generations Charmcaster will replace ben.
Um what do you mean charmcaster will replace ben? Hes the star of the show lol
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@npzman said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
I have a feeling that the 6th series of Ben 10 will be a sequal to the reboot. That will be hero generations Charmcaster will replace ben.
Um what do you mean charmcaster will replace ben? Hes the star of the show lol
@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
Um what do you mean charmcaster will replace ben? Hes the star of the show lol
I mean replace Kevin my mistake not Ben. I was typing too fast
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@csgt said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@GoodVibes1999 I actually think Albedo was created to replace Kevin as "Evil Ben" after AF writers decided to make Kevin the hero of the show.
Is Kevin confirmed to appear in the reboot? I think he is kind of a "toxic" character to use now. Obviously, MOA originally intended him to be a villain (The OS episode "Ken 10" is proof that MOA never wanted to redeem Kevin), but now it would be hard to write him the way they want without getting backlash from a lot of AF/UA/OV fans, so maybe they will simple ignore him instead - Or not, since they are already getting backlash from fans anyway xD
[Por falar nisso, você sabe se já começou a passar aqui no Brasil?]
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
Actually, MoA said Kevin and Charmcaster were always supposed to be “anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen”, that's very different from redemption. Take X-Men comics as an example, Magneto is an anti-hero foil to Charles Xavier. Magneto can even do good sometimes and join forces with the X-Men, but he always retains his shady personality and never becomes a "good guy". Based on all the evidence from OS, I'm sure MoA wouldn't do anything remotely alike to what AF did, making Kevin into Ben's BFF and Gwen's boyfriend, and retconing almost everything from his past (Max and Kevin's dad were partners and friends? Max didn't even know Kevin in OS.)
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Speaking of Kevin and composite characters, if you read up about the reboot Frightwig on TvTropes, it explains that she's a composite character. Frightwig displays characteristics of being mischievous like Ben but in a more villainous way as well as TvTropes pulling out parallels with Frightwig's hair and Ben's Omnitrix. Basically, TvTropes compares Frightwig to Kevin, saying how she has similar personalities to Ben but darker much like Kevin did in the Original Series, thus acting as Ben's evil counterpart. I guess I kind of see that in her. So for anyone that thinks that Frightwig is more interesting, this is why. I guess the reboot Frightwig is the new Kevin here. Maybe. However, this created a big concern for me.
IF this really is how they're portraying Frightwig in the Ben 10 reboot, then what does that mean for Kevin? Is he going to make an appearance? If so, how is he going to be portrayed? What makes Kevin at his best is him being that very true evil counterpart to Ben and as I explained many times in the past, Kevin doesn't work well outside of that. To me, it feels like they dug themselves into a corner with these characters.
If they bring back Kevin and make him like he was in the Original Series, then the changes they made to Frightwig in the reboot are pretty much pointless. Instead of taking Frightwig and changing her, they could've just bring back Kevin instead. If they bring back Kevin and they change him to be different from his Original Series self, then that would undermine Kevin as a character and his purpose as a villain. If they decide not to bring Kevin back, then they lose one of the most significant and necessary villains in the franchise and the reboot will get hit hard for that. At least that's my take on it.
@Omni-Triforcer Duncan Rouleau confirmed that Kevin was supposed to be an anti-hero. Even then, if they stuck to the Ben 10,000 future shown in the Original Series, then that would mean that eventually Kevin would end up going back to his old ways and being a villain again.
@Tactical-Ochoa Very interesting. Speaking for myself, I didn't pick up on any similarities between Reboot Frightwig and Kevin. I think it might be just a coincidence, or maybe someone reading too much in between the lines. I liked Reboot Frightwig, and I don't think it would hurt her portrayal to have Kevin around as a villain too.
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@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
Actually, MoA said Kevin and Charmcaster were always supposed to be “anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen”, that's very different from redemption. Take X-Men comics as an example, Magneto is an anti-hero foil to Charles Xavier. Magneto can even do good sometimes and join forces with the X-Men, but he always retains his shady personality and never becomes a "good guy". Based on all the evidence from OS, I'm sure MoA wouldn't do anything remotely alike to what AF did, making Kevin into Ben's BFF and Gwen's boyfriend, and retconing almost everything from his past (Max and Kevin's dad were partners and friends? Max didn't even know Kevin in OS.)
@csgt said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
Actually, MoA said Kevin and Charmcaster were always supposed to be “anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen”, that's very different from redemption. Take X-Men comics as an example, Magneto is an anti-hero foil to Charles Xavier. Magneto can even do good sometimes and join forces with the X-Men, but he always retains his shady personality and never becomes a "good guy". Based on all the evidence from OS, I'm sure MoA wouldn't do anything remotely alike to what AF did, making Kevin into Ben's BFF and Gwen's boyfriend, and retconing almost everything from his past (Max and Kevin's dad were partners and friends? Max didn't even know Kevin in OS.)
Dont forget they also retconned that last part in Omniverse
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i honestly didn't have a problem with kevin and ben being best friends in UAF it kinda gave ben that older brother figure that he could look up to in certain situations like when cash and jt picked on ben i do think that gwen and kevins relationship was rushed though
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I wonder when kisscartoon.me gonna show new Ben 10 Reboot episodes 31-36 including "Max To The Max" real soon?
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I wonder when kisscartoon.me gonna show new Ben 10 Reboot episodes 31-36 including "Max To The Max" real soon?
@jondennison72 I don't think the new episodes have aired yet.
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