Ben 10 Reboot Trailer & Footage Discussion
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Four Arms - "I'm really looking forward to this"
Other than that, all I heard was narration, but not to put into words, we seriously need more than this though lolIt's Action Time!
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@Ebomnitrix said in Ben 10 Reboot Trailer & Footage Discussion:
Four Arms - "I'm really looking forward to this"
Other than that, all I heard was narration, but not to put into words, we seriously need more than this though lolYeah im excited but i really hope we get more. I at least want to see the rest of this trailer.
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I want to see if there's more in this promo too!
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@Ebomnitrix Very much agree. We still need to see more. That's why I'm going to wait a little more to see if there's any more of the sneak peak that the recording didn't get before I give my full thoughts on it.
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I've made my thoughts already, I mean overall it doesn't look bad, it kinda looks like a Teletoon-like show. But its not at the same time.
I say that because how much detail there is, but how much is not there, and because of the movements remind me of it.
But overall, maybe once a full version there'll be more to say but I love it so far already. Even Stinkfly doesn't bother me anymore. -
Alien Things
Lol Four Arms wear the Original Series T-Shirt but Ben not
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Im definitely warming up to stinkflys design despite how drastically different it is. I like the designs for four arms and cannonbolt (although cannonbolt not having the stripe does look kinda wierd. Overall i like the alien designs.
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The guy that uploaded the clip on Instagram said that that's all that was shown on the Cartoon Network Panel that was Ben 10 related. It's in the comments section of the clip.
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Damn was hoping to see the rest of that trailer. Ah well
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This short video really got me excited. I expected it to be worse. The design is good. It looks better when it's animated and wins against Omniverse's one in my opinion. I sense that the humor in the reboot will also be good and balanced with the seriousness. But still, it's just a short video and I can't say much. I really hope the show will bring a cool new look to the franchise. It definitely changes the way we look at Ben 10, compared to the original series. I can't say for sure, but I think it's for good.
PS: I think Ben just found the Omnitrix here:
When lives are on the line, it's hero time!
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@admin said in Ben 10 Reboot Trailer & Footage Discussion:
This short video really got me excited. I expected it to be worse. The design is good. It looks better when it's animated and wins against Omniverse's one in my opinion. I sense that the humor in the reboot will also be good and balanced with the seriousness. But still, it's just a short video and I can't say much. I really hope the show will bring a cool new look to the franchise. It definitely changes the way we look at Ben 10, compared to the original series. I can't say for sure, but I think it's for good.
PS: I think Ben just found the Omnitrix here:
Couldn't have said it better my self. BTe slow motion the video at that part and you see part of the four arms transformation sequence
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I fixed the perspective, so we can see the frames clearly.
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https://twitter.com/MidouMir/status/743479810421309441/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Heres some more info
Looks like they changed bens design from that poster with the aliens standing around him. -
Ok so I'm going to go ahead and give my thoughts on this short clip of the Ben 10 reboot as well as point out everything that I've managed to notice about that clip. This is going to be pretty long because there's a lot that I want to discuss despite how little the clip showed; and by pretty long, yeah it's going to be pretty freakin long. Well, there is that saying "a picture's worth a thousand words." What do I think of the animation quality? It's fine. It's ok. It looks decent. From what I can see in this clip, the animation quality looks decent right now; especially since that there isn't really much to look at.
Can't really say the same for Cannonbolt and Four Arms though. At first, I was pretty much fine with their designs that we saw earlier on the calendar images but now that I'm seeing them animated, I don't really like their designs that much anymore. Cannonball's design looks a bit ugly and off being animated. As for Four Arms, I think this sums up his design well, his face looks like a gorilla and not in a good way. I think the biggest factor behind that is his chin. It looks a little too big for Four Arms. Overall, Four Arms's face just looks ugly. I also still don't like Ben's redesign. I still see it as crap. As for Stinkfly, I remember there being more detail on him in the leaked artwork than in this clip. Also, he shoots slime out of his shoulders? The biggest problem with Stinkfly's design is that he doesn't even look like an alien. He looks very much like a superhero, when he's supposed to look like an alien. His design sucks. It looks terrible. Even if I've gotten used to it, I still really don't like it.
This pretty much leads up to another point that I want to make. Just because people can get used to something and warm up to it doesn't mean that the quality of it is better. I'm used to Teen Titans Go!'s art style and I still consider it as crap. I'm used to the PPG reboot art style and I still consider it as crap. People have gotten used to Star Fox Zero's WiiU motion controls and many still say that it's still abysmal. People are used to the more action oriented approach to the Resident Evil series yet they still greatly criticize Capcom for taking a well established survival horror series and turning it into Call of Duty. People are used to Call of Duty games coming out every year and yet they still greatly criticize Activision for it and all the other crap that they've been doing to the series. As stated before, I've gotten used to Stinkfly's redesign but I still see it as crap and what they've should have done instead is throw that redesign into the garbage and bring back the Original Series Stinkfly design. I've gotten used to Ben's redesign yet I still don't like it. Get used to and warming up to something does not improve the quality of it. Just something that I want to mention.
Going back to the animation quality, I just noticed this recently. Kudos to @admin for posting this image otherwise I wouldn't have noticed it. There's an animation error in that clip. The part where Ben slams his hand down on the Omnitrix to transform, guess what's missing. The Omnitrix faceplate and core. No, it's not out of the view of the camera. The back of Ben's hand is facing more towards the screen and even previous images of the reboot Ben shows that, like with the other Ben 10 shows, the Omnitrix faceplate is on the same side as the back of Ben's hand. Also, the white bands that are supposed to converge towards the faceplate are still wrapping around the Omnitrix considering that the animators screwed up and didn't put the faceplate in.
Come to think of it, the Omnitrix in this clip looks a lot like its design back during the announcements of the Ben 10 reboot just with the white bands protruding out. There's little detail put into the Omnitrix; especially when compared to the previous images that shows the Omnitrix. Before, the Omnitrix looked a lot like the Original Series Omnitrix, which I found to be a good thing. Now, the Omnitrix no longer has that good of quality and detail to it. Again, it looks a lot like the Omnitrix back during the announcements of the reboot, which was just a little over a year ago. That's not a good thing.
Even though this is just one animation error and is only in there for a second or two, here's the thing that I want to mention. Back then at least 8 to 10 years ago, having one or two animation errors from time to time is forgivable and is still somewhat forgivable today. This is mostly due to how animation was done back then. Either it was very much hand drawn, which makes animation errors more difficult to fix, or it was computer generated with a lot of detail put into it. So yeah, occasionally having one or two animation errors once in a while is forgivable and excusable as long as the quality of the animations and artwork is very good. I wouldn't be surprised if the Original Series has at least some animation errors. However, nowadays, many have become much less forgivable over animation errors. This is most especially the case if the animation quality isn't up to par, the errors are frequent and obvious, the art style is more simplistic, and the problem can be easily fixed. A missing faceplate and core on the Omnitrix, even when it's only shown for a second, is very much unacceptable and it's very much going to hurt the animation quality if errors like this keep popping up frequently in the show. Just look at the PPG reboot. There are numerous, numerous animation errors that really shows how lazy and sloppy the animators are and it certainly didn't help that the animation quality overall was just not up to par often. People want quality and if the Ben 10 reboot doesn't live up to the animation quality, it'll turn a lot of people off from the show. That's why I find it important to point out that very glaring animation error with the Omnitrix. Hopefully there won't be any more animation errors that will come at a frequent rate.
This is just more of a nitpick but why are all the kids that are dog piling Ben have the same exact shoes as him? Again, it's really just more of a nitpick; especially since that the characters always tend to wear the same clothes everyday so I don't really have a problem with that. If it's really anything more like the Derbytantes gang from the PPG reboot though, then it becomes a problem since that it would show how lazy the artists and animators are.
One other thing that I noticed is that in that very same scene where Ben is playing football, I believe I heard a "hut hut hike" in there and I believe that it was Ben that said that. Considering that he had the football and was being a quarterback, it would make sense that he would say that and would have to say that because that's part of how you play football. It's not much to work off of though but it doesn't sound like Tara Strong's "Ben" voice as he sounds too high pitched for that. Again, it's not much to work off of though.
Finally, and most importantly at least for me, I had a discussion with shadows59 on the FanFiction website about this short clip. One aspect that was pointed out was how if this was really all that they had to show us at the moment, then that clip may have been all best bits that they have all ready and if that's the case, then that's not really a good sign. My claim still holds on how considering that there is very little that Cartoon Network and CN Studios is showing us about the Ben 10 reboot shows that they and/or Man of Action either have little faith in the reboot and/or they don't really know what they're actually doing. That's what usually happens when a team/company provide very little to no information on certain shows, movies, video games, etc. I mean like hell, a while back, Bethesda held back on releasing early review copies of the Doom 2016 game because they thought it wasn't going to be received well and yet, Doom 2016 turned out to be a great game. Now "usually" doesn't mean "always" but the point is still there.
Oh and Ben is playing football? Reboot, remake, or whatever, that really does not fit well for Ben. Ben isn't even supposed to be that much of the sports type. Well, at least when it comes to team play. shadows59 makes a good point about Ben. He's more of a team player that works alone when it comes to sports, which is why Ben does so well as a goalie in soccer. Ben contributes greatly to the team but he does so by himself.
What's most important that shadows59 and I discussed about Ben here, however, is the joke behind him playing football when the moment Ben starts the play, he is immediately dog piled by four other kids that look as if they are very much well qualified to play in the NFL. I believe the joke is supposed to connect to how Ben is considered to not be seen as cool by others in school. This was a major aspect about Ben in the Original Series. One that puts quite a significant impact on him as a character and if they decide to play it off as a joke, that's going to be a pretty significant problem with this show. The biggest problem with Cartoon Network's push on making comedy shows is that at least most of the comedy that they make is very much senseless and as such doesn't take into mind as to what the consequences of such senseless comedy can bring to the viewers. This is most especially the case when it ends up bringing a pretty bad message to viewers and that's what many viewers criticize Cartoon Network's comedy elements for. Of course the most obvious and major examples of this is Teen Titans Go! and the PPG reboot as many, if not most, of the jokes in those two shows come off as quite cruel and that's what really turns a lot of viewers off from a lot of Cartoon Network's comedy shows. It's a major reason as to why so many are sick and tired of seeing all these comedy shows and want Cartoon Network to bring back the action genre onto their network.
Now why is that very aspect about Ben very important for the show and Ben as a character and why it's a bad approach to play it off as a joke? Because Ben pretty much being seen as unpopular and an outcast, or something of the like, is what greatly motivates him to become a hero. Just take a look at the first episode of the Original Series to see what I mean about that. More specifically at Ben's bullies, Cash and J.T. Those two characters have constantly bullied, harass, and picked on Ben for quite a while (and Ben isn't even the only kid that they go after) and you can tell by this when Ben tries to face them off in the first episode. That look of defiance that he has when Ben stands up to them in defense of another kid shows that Ben has had enough of Cash and J.T. bullshit and that enough was enough for him. This is Ben's motivation to wanting to become a hero and help other people. Hell, you even see Ben trying to help that very kid in that very episode. It also helps greatly in making Ben much more relatable and human to the viewers since that it shows that he has problems in his life that he's dealing with and is fighting to resolve those problems. Now thinking about it, I can see why I consider Ben as one of my most favorite cartoon characters. He's a very relatable character. I have autism and because of it, I ended up facing a lot of this type of stuff back when I was in elementary school and eventually, I got sick and tired of it myself as well to the point where enough was enough for me and I stood up for myself. Before I decided to wanting to go into Game Design, I originally wanted to go into law enforcement because I wanted to help people. I also know for a fact that I'm not the only individual that went through that type of stuff during childhood as well. It's elements like this that greatly helps give the Ben 10 (especially the Original Series) such a strong sense of realism in the very world and characters that the series has and makes them relatable to the viewers. It's what helps further connects and invests viewers into the Ben 10 series.
If this very aspect about Ben ends up being played off as a senseless joke in the reboot, then that's going to be one of the major factors that will kill this show. With something that serious and significant to the world and even more to the characters, it's can't be played off as a joke. It needs to have that more serious, mature, and realistic approach to it. It needs to give the viewers that sense of "this just got real." If Cartoon Network and CN Studios take that very aspect about Ben and play it off as their typical senseless joke, it'll be like Teen Titans Go! and the PPG reboot all over again. It's going to be seen as cruel and it's going to give a negative implication on the viewers. It'll very much likely turn a lot of people away from this show. Hopefully Ben being dog piled by those NFL qualified kids is really all that's going to be there. Either way, if they want to portray Ben as not being seen as cool to others, if they want to portray that very aspect about Ben as a character as they did in the Original Series, then they can't make a joke out of it. Otherwise, like I said, it's going to be a major factor that will kill this show off and turn many viewers away from it. DO take a more serious, realistic, mature, and significant approach on that. DON'T make a joke out of it.
So those are all of my thoughts and analysis on that very Instagram clip of the Ben 10 reboot Sneak Peak. Sorry if it turned out to be very long but there was a lot that I wanted to discuss about it. The last part of my thoughts and analysis being the most important part to discuss here.
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@Tactical-Ochoa Oh now I know some things that you mean about the Omnitrix,if you look at all the Omnitrixes (OS,AF,UA,OV) then you can see the Alien faceplates on it or you see a hologram of the faceplates. But in this new series they didn't put the faceplates on the Omnitrix if you look at this OS photo and the Reboot photo then you can see it
But i think when his omnitrix goes up then you can see the Alien faceplates As in the Original Series
Ben 10 he's a kid and he wants to have fun
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@Ben-10-Fan Well no, that's not what I mean. By faceplate, I actually meant the dial itself that Ben rotates to select his aliens. The Omnitrix is missing the dial and that's the animation error that I'm referring to, meaning that the animators and artists screwed up. They made a mistake. The dial is supposed to line up with the back of Ben's hand. Either they didn't put the dial on the Omnitrix or they positioned Ben's hand wrong and what we're actually seeing is the back of the Omnitrix. That's the animation error.
An easy solution to this mistake would be to either put the dial and core of the Omnitrix on there right where it's supposed to be or reposition Ben's hand so that it faces Ben. The latter will make it as if we can't see the dial of the Omnitrix from that very camera angle because the dial would be facing Ben and thus be hidden behind Ben's arm and that what we'll actually be seeing is the back of the Omnitrix.
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@Tactical-Ochoa Yeah I've noticed that too, I wonder if we will know more about the actors soon. I'm really curious hear Ben and his alien forms.
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@Rexfan1333 Well like I stated in my very long thoughts and analysis comment, I believe I heard Ben's voice during the football scene. I heard like a "hut hut hike" in there. If it is Ben's voice, it sounds too high pitched to be Tara Strong's "Ben" voice. Unless they want Ben to sound more like Timmy Turner, if that was Ben's voice that I heard, I don't think that was Strong that was voicing him.
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@Rexfan1333 said in Ben 10 Reboot Trailer & Footage Discussion:
@Tactical-Ochoa Yeah I've noticed that too, I wonder if we will know more about the actors soon. I'm really curious hear Ben and his alien forms.
From what I noticed, John DiMaggio returns as Four Arms, and for some reason I did hear Tara Strong cause she had that kinda voice for Ben for action sounds, especially in Protector of Earth, but idk, I guess we'll wait and see.
If they are reusing voice actors, I have hope for Steve Blum, and Dee Bradley BakerIt's Action Time!
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@Ebomnitrix said in Ben 10 Reboot Trailer & Footage Discussion:
@Rexfan1333 said in Ben 10 Reboot Trailer & Footage Discussion:
@Tactical-Ochoa Yeah I've noticed that too, I wonder if we will know more about the actors soon. I'm really curious hear Ben and his alien forms.
From what I noticed, John DiMaggio returns as Four Arms, and for some reason I did hear Tara Strong cause she had that kinda voice for Ben for action sounds, especially in Protector of Earth, but idk, I guess we'll wait and see.
If they are reusing voice actors, I have hope for Steve Blum, and Dee Bradley BakerKinda sad that Paul Eiding won't be back. I hope they find someone else as good as eiding.
