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Ben 10 reboot discussion: Season 3

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  • @ungrateful-wolf said in Ben 10 reboot discussion: Season 3:

    @cooljay7 That's because Kevin's aliens are all based on band and music names.
    Quad Smack = SMACK (finnish band)
    Bashmouth = Smash Mouth (band)
    Black Ice = Black Eyed Peas (band)
    Wreckingbolt = Wrecking Ball (song by Miley Cyrus)
    Hot Shot = Hotshot (band)

    You'll notice Ben himself has two reboot original aliens with that theme naming too: Shock Rock (music genre) and Slapback (sound term).

    For Black Ice, let's be honest, we all heard the complaint that Diamondhead's powers in the reboot looked too much like ice powers at least once. The writers acknowledged that and used it to name Diamondhead's copy.
    Also, as mutated Kevin's aliens can be, I really don't feel Bashmouth is an Appoplexian. He looks more like a werewolf like Blitzwolfer than a tiger or any anthropomorphic feline. (I do believe he is Rath's rival tho)

    And where's your proof that this is the case? Did Man of Action or someone from Cartoon Network confirm this?

    @tactical-ochoa No, no official source. But when at least three Kevin aliens confirm it and when two of Ben's aliens also apply, it becomes a solid theory. Kinda surprised you're paying attention to something that trivial.

    Unless you're talking about Bashmouth, in which case I was just giving an opinion when I said I believed he was Rath's rival

  • @tactical-ochoa No, no official source. But when at least three Kevin aliens confirm it and when two of Ben's aliens also apply, it becomes a solid theory. Kinda surprised you're paying attention to something that trivial.

    Unless you're talking about Bashmouth, in which case I was just giving an opinion when I said I believed he was Rath's rival

    @ungrateful-wolf Diamond ice as black ice is a huge stretch. So are Quad smack and and smack. i just don't see it.

  • just a theory at this point, nothing crazy

  • Is it just me or does Omni-Kix sound like it's the same thing as Omni-Enhanced?

  • Is it just me or does Omni-Kix sound like it's the same thing as Omni-Enhanced?

    @cooljay7 It pretty much is.

  • @cooljay7 It pretty much is.

    @tactical-ochoa i can't believe they're already running out of ideas

  • Hey how about a new Ben 10 Reboot episode when Grandpa Max Tennyson tells his grandkids how he spend his young days in college at State University.

  • Hey how about a new Ben 10 Reboot episode when Grandpa Max Tennyson tells his grandkids how he spend his young days in college at State University.

    @jondennison72 Even better, how about they make a completely new show and just sell the rights to the brand?

  • @jondennison72 Even better, how about they make a completely new show and just sell the rights to the brand?

    @offbeatcat I said this plenty of times before. I say that it could be better for the franchise as a whole if a good Japanese animation company takes over Ben 10.

  • @offbeatcat I said this plenty of times before. I say that it could be better for the franchise as a whole if a good Japanese animation company takes over Ben 10.

    @tactical-ochoa it's unlikely, honestly. With how the show's been going, i doubt people would even want to buy it.

  • @tactical-ochoa it's unlikely, honestly. With how the show's been going, i doubt people would even want to buy it.

    @offbeatcat Well, that's part of the reason as to why I have an interest in making a Ben 10 game and why I want to see if I can convince PlatinumGames to make it. To try and respark interest in the Ben 10 franchise. To try and turn things around for the betterment of things.

  • @offbeatcat Well, that's part of the reason as to why I have an interest in making a Ben 10 game and why I want to see if I can convince PlatinumGames to make it. To try and respark interest in the Ben 10 franchise. To try and turn things around for the betterment of things.

    @tactical-ochoa it's highly unliekly, but not impossible. don't bank on it.

  • @tactical-ochoa it's highly unliekly, but not impossible. don't bank on it.

    @offbeatcat It's worth a try at least. After all, PlatinumGames isn't new to making licensed games. They made Legend of Korra, Transformers: Devastation, and TMNT: Mutants in Manhattan as well as Starfox Zero and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. Plus, with their philosophy on gameplay, a game made by PlatinumGames where the main playable character can transform into various different forms could certainly be quite an interesting concept that would attract plenty of attention. Besides, the gaming industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and the biggest entertainment industry in the world. It would be stupid for Cartoon Network to not take advantage of such potential.

  • @offbeatcat It's worth a try at least. After all, PlatinumGames isn't new to making licensed games. They made Legend of Korra, Transformers: Devastation, and TMNT: Mutants in Manhattan as well as Starfox Zero and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. Plus, with their philosophy on gameplay, a game made by PlatinumGames where the main playable character can transform into various different forms could certainly be quite an interesting concept that would attract plenty of attention. Besides, the gaming industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and the biggest entertainment industry in the world. It would be stupid for Cartoon Network to not take advantage of such potential.

    @tactical-ochoa how old are you? i feel like your odds of success hinge on them deciding you're worth the trouble, and that unfortnately probably relies on age.

  • @tactical-ochoa how old are you? i feel like your odds of success hinge on them deciding you're worth the trouble, and that unfortnately probably relies on age.

    @offbeatcat 23...and what? How does age factor into that?

  • @offbeatcat 23...and what? How does age factor into that?

    @tactical-ochoa if you were like, 14, they wouldn't take you as seriously. if you were like, 90, they'd just see you as too old. thats how age factors in.

  • @tactical-ochoa if you were like, 14, they wouldn't take you as seriously. if you were like, 90, they'd just see you as too old. thats how age factors in.

    @offbeatcat Wow. Thanks. I never knew that. Seriously though, of course that's the case. That's common sense knowledge. I thought you were referring to something else. Yes, again, I'm 23-years-old and will be turning 24 next week and I also recently finished school and will be receiving my Associate's Degree in Multimedia soon. Age is definitely not a concern here.

  • @offbeatcat Wow. Thanks. I never knew that. Seriously though, of course that's the case. That's common sense knowledge. I thought you were referring to something else. Yes, again, I'm 23-years-old and will be turning 24 next week and I also recently finished school and will be receiving my Associate's Degree in Multimedia soon. Age is definitely not a concern here.

    @tactical-ochoa You asked how age factored in, so i clarified. I don't need sarcasm in your response.

  • @tactical-ochoa You asked how age factored in, so i clarified. I don't need sarcasm in your response.

    @offbeatcat He didn't mean to be sarcastic, he just made a joke since 14 and 90 are really the extreme cases for age where they won't take him seriously.

  • @tactical-ochoa You asked how age factored in, so i clarified. I don't need sarcasm in your response.

    @offbeatcat Like I said, I thought you were referring to something else because, of course, people usually don't expect a common sense answer and you should expect such a response back because of it.

    @Ungrateful-Wolf Yes, I did mean to be sarcastic.

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    @Rexfan1333 That's another thing. I don't hate the reboot's art style either. I just don't like it and I just give it a lot of criticism. With Cartoon Network, we're now at a point where this is just unacceptable because like you said, Cartoon Network's reasons for wanting to go for these types of art styles is bullshit and they and their artists and animators are really just being cheap and lazy here. Like I said, it likely won't even matter that much to many if the story and writing is at least going to be good because the artwork and animation quality alone can turn many viewers away from the reboot. Having a strong story and writing is very much important but so is having some great quality artwork and animations. Artwork that can set the stage for the settings, environments, characters, etc. Animations that can deliver on many of the scenes that we're going to be seeing here. How are viewers supposed to be able to get invested with Ben developing as a character when he looks like crap? How are viewers going to be able to get invested in Ben's aliens if at least some of them look ugly and/or don't even look that much alien at all? How are any of the action scenes going to be good and memorable if the animation quality doesn't back them up? Yes I know we haven't seen any action scenes yet. It's just a point that I want to make. Overall, if they're going to have a strong and memorable story, setting, characters, scenes, etc, then they need to be able to be backed up well by a good quality art style and animations. Otherwise, there would be a chance that things can fall flat pretty badly. Just imagine Young Justice and Legend of Korra looking like the Ben 10 reboot or the PPG reboot or Teen Titans Go! or Clarence. Imagine Young Justice and Legend of Korra having the lower quality animation work that Cartoon Network Studios is being more known of making. Even with a strong story and characters and all that stuff, those two shows would fall flat pretty badly. Imagine the Ben 10 Original Series having this type of art style and/or this quality of animations. We would more likely not be looking up to the Original Series as much as we did back then and still do and Ben 10 would more likely not have been able to be as successful as it was back then. Omniverse had some good story aspects and moments to it but the art style and animation quality doesn't help to hold those good story aspects and moments up that well. I previously thought that story, writing, characters and all that stuff are more important than visuals but really the visuals of a show, movie, video game, etc are really just as equally important. Everything needs to be able to work and blend together seamlessly and very well. If one of those seams hits a snag and breaks, chances are that everything can fall apart either quickly or eventually. Just something that I want to point out. A strong story is very much important but just as equally so does that apply to having strong visuals and animations as well.
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