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Ben 10 reboot discussion: Season 3

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  • Ungrateful-WolfU

    I'll be honest, I feel like they're more taking old unused ideas, or unusually strange ideas, and sometimes saying "sure, why the hell not?" Not in a negative way, a neutral one.

    Sometimes, being alone is the right way to find someone else

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  • Ungrateful-WolfU Ungrateful-Wolf

    I'll be honest, I feel like they're more taking old unused ideas, or unusually strange ideas, and sometimes saying "sure, why the hell not?" Not in a negative way, a neutral one.

    OffbeatcatO

    @ungrateful-wolf I dunno man, everything seems to circle back to selling toys.

    Nobody gets to choose how it happens.

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  • OffbeatcatO Offbeatcat

    @ungrateful-wolf I dunno man, everything seems to circle back to selling toys.

    cooljay7C

    @offbeatcat Yeah they are definitely making decisions that will make it easier to market toys to kids. With that being said the quality of the figures for the reboot (made by Playmates toys) are much higher than the quality of the Bandai figures.

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  • OffbeatcatO

    The "omni-ki" is the ultimate example of this mentality.

    Nobody gets to choose how it happens.

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  • OffbeatcatO

    i mean, even having multiple aliens would be better then slapping armor on old ones.

    Nobody gets to choose how it happens.

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  • Ungrateful-WolfU Ungrateful-Wolf

    @cooljay7 That's because Kevin's aliens are all based on band and music names.
    Quad Smack = SMACK (finnish band)
    Bashmouth = Smash Mouth (band)
    Black Ice = Black Eyed Peas (band)
    Wreckingbolt = Wrecking Ball (song by Miley Cyrus)
    Hot Shot = Hotshot (band)

    You'll notice Ben himself has two reboot original aliens with that theme naming too: Shock Rock (music genre) and Slapback (sound term).

    For Black Ice, let's be honest, we all heard the complaint that Diamondhead's powers in the reboot looked too much like ice powers at least once. The writers acknowledged that and used it to name Diamondhead's copy.
    Also, as mutated Kevin's aliens can be, I really don't feel Bashmouth is an Appoplexian. He looks more like a werewolf like Blitzwolfer than a tiger or any anthropomorphic feline. (I do believe he is Rath's rival tho)

    Tactical OchoaT

    @ungrateful-wolf said in Ben 10 reboot discussion: Season 3:

    @cooljay7 That's because Kevin's aliens are all based on band and music names.
    Quad Smack = SMACK (finnish band)
    Bashmouth = Smash Mouth (band)
    Black Ice = Black Eyed Peas (band)
    Wreckingbolt = Wrecking Ball (song by Miley Cyrus)
    Hot Shot = Hotshot (band)

    You'll notice Ben himself has two reboot original aliens with that theme naming too: Shock Rock (music genre) and Slapback (sound term).

    For Black Ice, let's be honest, we all heard the complaint that Diamondhead's powers in the reboot looked too much like ice powers at least once. The writers acknowledged that and used it to name Diamondhead's copy.
    Also, as mutated Kevin's aliens can be, I really don't feel Bashmouth is an Appoplexian. He looks more like a werewolf like Blitzwolfer than a tiger or any anthropomorphic feline. (I do believe he is Rath's rival tho)

    And where's your proof that this is the case? Did Man of Action or someone from Cartoon Network confirm this?

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  • Tactical OchoaT Tactical Ochoa

    @ungrateful-wolf said in Ben 10 reboot discussion: Season 3:

    @cooljay7 That's because Kevin's aliens are all based on band and music names.
    Quad Smack = SMACK (finnish band)
    Bashmouth = Smash Mouth (band)
    Black Ice = Black Eyed Peas (band)
    Wreckingbolt = Wrecking Ball (song by Miley Cyrus)
    Hot Shot = Hotshot (band)

    You'll notice Ben himself has two reboot original aliens with that theme naming too: Shock Rock (music genre) and Slapback (sound term).

    For Black Ice, let's be honest, we all heard the complaint that Diamondhead's powers in the reboot looked too much like ice powers at least once. The writers acknowledged that and used it to name Diamondhead's copy.
    Also, as mutated Kevin's aliens can be, I really don't feel Bashmouth is an Appoplexian. He looks more like a werewolf like Blitzwolfer than a tiger or any anthropomorphic feline. (I do believe he is Rath's rival tho)

    And where's your proof that this is the case? Did Man of Action or someone from Cartoon Network confirm this?

    Ungrateful-WolfU

    @tactical-ochoa No, no official source. But when at least three Kevin aliens confirm it and when two of Ben's aliens also apply, it becomes a solid theory. Kinda surprised you're paying attention to something that trivial.

    Unless you're talking about Bashmouth, in which case I was just giving an opinion when I said I believed he was Rath's rival

    Sometimes, being alone is the right way to find someone else

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  • Ungrateful-WolfU Ungrateful-Wolf

    @tactical-ochoa No, no official source. But when at least three Kevin aliens confirm it and when two of Ben's aliens also apply, it becomes a solid theory. Kinda surprised you're paying attention to something that trivial.

    Unless you're talking about Bashmouth, in which case I was just giving an opinion when I said I believed he was Rath's rival

    OffbeatcatO

    @ungrateful-wolf Diamond ice as black ice is a huge stretch. So are Quad smack and and smack. i just don't see it.

    Nobody gets to choose how it happens.

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  • Ungrateful-WolfU

    just a theory at this point, nothing crazy

    Sometimes, being alone is the right way to find someone else

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  • cooljay7C

    Is it just me or does Omni-Kix sound like it's the same thing as Omni-Enhanced?

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  • cooljay7C cooljay7

    Is it just me or does Omni-Kix sound like it's the same thing as Omni-Enhanced?

    Tactical OchoaT

    @cooljay7 It pretty much is.

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  • Tactical OchoaT Tactical Ochoa

    @cooljay7 It pretty much is.

    OffbeatcatO

    @tactical-ochoa i can't believe they're already running out of ideas

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  • jondennison72J

    Hey how about a new Ben 10 Reboot episode when Grandpa Max Tennyson tells his grandkids how he spend his young days in college at State University.

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  • jondennison72J jondennison72

    Hey how about a new Ben 10 Reboot episode when Grandpa Max Tennyson tells his grandkids how he spend his young days in college at State University.

    OffbeatcatO

    @jondennison72 Even better, how about they make a completely new show and just sell the rights to the brand?

    Nobody gets to choose how it happens.

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  • OffbeatcatO Offbeatcat

    @jondennison72 Even better, how about they make a completely new show and just sell the rights to the brand?

    Tactical OchoaT

    @offbeatcat I said this plenty of times before. I say that it could be better for the franchise as a whole if a good Japanese animation company takes over Ben 10.

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  • Tactical OchoaT Tactical Ochoa

    @offbeatcat I said this plenty of times before. I say that it could be better for the franchise as a whole if a good Japanese animation company takes over Ben 10.

    OffbeatcatO

    @tactical-ochoa it's unlikely, honestly. With how the show's been going, i doubt people would even want to buy it.

    Nobody gets to choose how it happens.

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  • OffbeatcatO Offbeatcat

    @tactical-ochoa it's unlikely, honestly. With how the show's been going, i doubt people would even want to buy it.

    Tactical OchoaT

    @offbeatcat Well, that's part of the reason as to why I have an interest in making a Ben 10 game and why I want to see if I can convince PlatinumGames to make it. To try and respark interest in the Ben 10 franchise. To try and turn things around for the betterment of things.

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  • Tactical OchoaT Tactical Ochoa

    @offbeatcat Well, that's part of the reason as to why I have an interest in making a Ben 10 game and why I want to see if I can convince PlatinumGames to make it. To try and respark interest in the Ben 10 franchise. To try and turn things around for the betterment of things.

    OffbeatcatO

    @tactical-ochoa it's highly unliekly, but not impossible. don't bank on it.

    Nobody gets to choose how it happens.

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  • OffbeatcatO Offbeatcat

    @tactical-ochoa it's highly unliekly, but not impossible. don't bank on it.

    Tactical OchoaT

    @offbeatcat It's worth a try at least. After all, PlatinumGames isn't new to making licensed games. They made Legend of Korra, Transformers: Devastation, and TMNT: Mutants in Manhattan as well as Starfox Zero and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. Plus, with their philosophy on gameplay, a game made by PlatinumGames where the main playable character can transform into various different forms could certainly be quite an interesting concept that would attract plenty of attention. Besides, the gaming industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and the biggest entertainment industry in the world. It would be stupid for Cartoon Network to not take advantage of such potential.

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  • Tactical OchoaT Tactical Ochoa

    @offbeatcat It's worth a try at least. After all, PlatinumGames isn't new to making licensed games. They made Legend of Korra, Transformers: Devastation, and TMNT: Mutants in Manhattan as well as Starfox Zero and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. Plus, with their philosophy on gameplay, a game made by PlatinumGames where the main playable character can transform into various different forms could certainly be quite an interesting concept that would attract plenty of attention. Besides, the gaming industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and the biggest entertainment industry in the world. It would be stupid for Cartoon Network to not take advantage of such potential.

    OffbeatcatO

    @tactical-ochoa how old are you? i feel like your odds of success hinge on them deciding you're worth the trouble, and that unfortnately probably relies on age.

    Nobody gets to choose how it happens.

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  • npzmanN

    Should the Ben 10 reboot be a in-universe fictional accounts of the original Ben 10 Continuity ?

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    It could be a very inaccurate retelling of the original series with a few twists and turns. The reboot show could be a thing long after Ben Prime's death or during Ben 10k where Ben wouldn't be cocky and would give information and stuff for the show.
  • KorseBLI-NDK

    ben 10 toys

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    @Omni-Triforcer said in ben 10 toys: For the kids i want the omnitrix to come back since i know how much i wanted that damn toy when i was younger. I never bought Ben 10 toys and the only ben 10 merchandise i bought was the video games so hopefully they bring those back. Lol, same here. I always wonder how cool it was to have the Omnitrix als a toy. It looked so awesome when is was like 8 or 9. Ah Yeah those great child memerois
  • EbomnitrixE

    Ben 10 Reboot Trailer & Footage Discussion

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    @Rexfan1333 That's another thing. I don't hate the reboot's art style either. I just don't like it and I just give it a lot of criticism. With Cartoon Network, we're now at a point where this is just unacceptable because like you said, Cartoon Network's reasons for wanting to go for these types of art styles is bullshit and they and their artists and animators are really just being cheap and lazy here. Like I said, it likely won't even matter that much to many if the story and writing is at least going to be good because the artwork and animation quality alone can turn many viewers away from the reboot. Having a strong story and writing is very much important but so is having some great quality artwork and animations. Artwork that can set the stage for the settings, environments, characters, etc. Animations that can deliver on many of the scenes that we're going to be seeing here. How are viewers supposed to be able to get invested with Ben developing as a character when he looks like crap? How are viewers going to be able to get invested in Ben's aliens if at least some of them look ugly and/or don't even look that much alien at all? How are any of the action scenes going to be good and memorable if the animation quality doesn't back them up? Yes I know we haven't seen any action scenes yet. It's just a point that I want to make. Overall, if they're going to have a strong and memorable story, setting, characters, scenes, etc, then they need to be able to be backed up well by a good quality art style and animations. Otherwise, there would be a chance that things can fall flat pretty badly. Just imagine Young Justice and Legend of Korra looking like the Ben 10 reboot or the PPG reboot or Teen Titans Go! or Clarence. Imagine Young Justice and Legend of Korra having the lower quality animation work that Cartoon Network Studios is being more known of making. Even with a strong story and characters and all that stuff, those two shows would fall flat pretty badly. Imagine the Ben 10 Original Series having this type of art style and/or this quality of animations. We would more likely not be looking up to the Original Series as much as we did back then and still do and Ben 10 would more likely not have been able to be as successful as it was back then. Omniverse had some good story aspects and moments to it but the art style and animation quality doesn't help to hold those good story aspects and moments up that well. I previously thought that story, writing, characters and all that stuff are more important than visuals but really the visuals of a show, movie, video game, etc are really just as equally important. Everything needs to be able to work and blend together seamlessly and very well. If one of those seams hits a snag and breaks, chances are that everything can fall apart either quickly or eventually. Just something that I want to point out. A strong story is very much important but just as equally so does that apply to having strong visuals and animations as well.
  • cooljay7C

    When do you think we will first see Ben 10 toys for the reboot?

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    id say that new york toy fair is a pretty safe bet
  • Tactical OchoaT

    The Ben 10 Series

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    @chronosapien234 Yes, true. The Circus Freaks were important with his plan. However, that's just because they're villainous henchmen characters. Even without Zombozo, the Circus Freaks still end up temporarily as the henchmen to another villain. You know, Ghostfreak. Pretty much almost every time we've seen the Circus Freaks, they are serving somebody. Mostly Zombozo. They're just villainous henchmen characters. They helped but they're not really all that important. In fact, I believe that there pretty much wouldn't be a difference at all if they aren't around. Why? Because, again, they're henchmen. They're also basic thugs, too. The Circus Freaks are not that important. Also, this is about Zombozo as a character and villain. What makes Zombozo who he is. Why he is like that. How he executes his plans. What makes Zombozo as Zombozo and he doesn't need the Circus Freaks for that. That is another out of the many problems with Omniverse and even the other sequels. The Original Series was able to do things that not many cartoon shows ever did. The Original Series did something new. The sequels were generic and typical cartoon shows. They barely did anything new if nothing new at all. That episode in Omniverse with Zombozo turning everyone in Bellwood into zombie clowns. If it was a nod to the Original Series, it failed at trying to delivery and do something unique and impressive. No instead, it ended up being another terrible episode due to Ben regaining his fear of clowns and one major plot hole that really ruined that episode, let alone the sheer cartoonish stupidity of it. Does nobody remember that Zombozo and the Circus Freaks are villains? Does nobody remember what they've done in the past? Oh, Ben regained his fear of clowns, huh? Thanks for making Ben conquering his fears in the Original Series pointless now, Cartoon Network. As for the plot hole, ask yourself this question? Those toy teeth that turn people into zombie clowns. Yeah, how is it that those teeth can bite through Plumber armor and hazmat suits let alone BASIC CLOTHING? They're plastic toy teeth. Is Plumber armor really that terrible and not that protective? I thought Stormtrooper armor was bad enough. Plumber armor is even worse. That one plot hole alone makes that entire episode freakin stupid and terrible. It shows how poor and lazy the writing, structuring, and designing of the sequels are. I know it's a cartoon show but again, it needs to make sense and needs to be understandable enough to work.