Who is your favorite Ben 10 Villain, other than Vilgax?



  • @Tyranidomega
    For me it has to be Kevin. he really was the evil Ben. He was also a warning to Ben of what he could be, and probably would be without Max and Gwen. As I see it Vilgax may be the main villain of the show but Kevin is Ben's true nemesis. They are perfect enemies.

    As for AF and the others, it would be like making the Joker change his ways and become Batman's partner. Or emperor Palpatine becoming Yoda's best friend.



  • @car54 Nice analogy there.


  • Moderator

    totally agree i never got why they redeemed kevin and made him uncrazy his craziness was what i thought made him an interesting character. Kevin introduced alien fusions before ben did lol.



  • @Omni-Triforcer
    I know they wanted to give Gwen a bf to counter any bwen overtones but why pick him....I still say making them cousins was a mistake..

    There is a more personal element to the animosity between Ben and Kevin. That's really what makes him the best villain in the series.
    It's also what makes him the villain least likely to change his ways.


  • Moderator

    @car54 i guess they needed a way to explain why gwen was on the roadtrip so they chose her being a cousin.



  • @Omni-Triforcer @car54 That is why they made Gwen into Ben's cousin. To give her a much more justifiable reason for her to go on the trip with Ben. It was the right call in my opinion.


  • Moderator

    exactly they couldve said that grandpa max said he could bring a friend but in that case it would most likely be a guy and not a girl for obvious reasons so relative was the next best thing.



  • @Omni-Triforcer Plus there's the concern as to why would Gwen even be best friends with Ben if they both hate each other so much.


  • Moderator

    @Tactical-Ochoa very much true although that couldve been added when she was turned into a cousin plus if they liked each other and were friends it would be kind of weird to go on a road trip together (i know my parents would never let me sleep in the same room as a girl at age 10) it would really put the bwen theory into motion lol



  • @Omni-Triforcer I think regardless, if my Bwen theory is correct and true, Man of Action was going to put that theory into motion anyways regardless as to whether or not Ben and Gwen are even cousins. Heck, I mean like did CN really make the change for them to be cousins or did CN just point out the flaws of Ben and Gwen being best friends and suggested for Man of Action to be related and thus Man of Action are the ones that made Ben and Gwen into cousins. I heard this change was made when season 3 of the Original Series was being written. If that's true and if Ben and Gwen were best friends and they did get paired together, what do you think MOA would have to do. Make them cousins and have them paired together as a couple anyways and thus make little necessary changes in order to meet the premiere release deadline while also maintaining at least most of their original vision or do something like make Ben and Gwen brother and sister to each other or something of the likes and thus have to go back and pretty much almost rewrite at least most of the entire show to fit that one change it but risk likely not making the deadline.



  • Either way, reason of Bwen or not, again, Kevin should have never become a hero character. As stated before, @car54 made a great analogy that sums up Kevin's transition into being a hero. Much like the Joker and Emperor Palpatine, Kevin just doesn't work as a hero, an ally and best friend for Ben, and a boyfriend for Gwen. He didn't even do a good job of being a hero and a Plumbers officer. Kevin continued to commit various different and very serious crimes even when he was a hero. It's freakin stupid.



  • @Omni-Triforcer
    She was going to go as Ben's friend from school, although a friend with a contentious relationship. CN decided that having her on a summer road trip with her male friend and his grandpa had dirty overtones.....I think they had their own minds in the gutter.

    It works fine in the AU story I'm planing. In that, one or both of her parents were plumbers so they know Max and know they can trust him with their daughter.



  • @car54 Dirty overtones? I think you're overthinking this. Gwen was made into Ben's cousin because it makes more sense that way. I even stated why. Simple as that. It's even said so on the Ben 10 Wiki, Tv Tropes, etc.



  • @Tactical-Ochoa
    I don't remember where I read that they thought it was inappropriate to have her alone with them. They were worried about some kind of protest from these groups who watch cartoons looking for something to complain about.



  • @car54 Yeah, that doesn't sound right.



  • @Tactical-Ochoa
    There are a lot of people these days who are looking for reasons to be offended. It's easy to believe that they would be worried about it. They were the ones over thinking it.



  • @car54 Probably not back then but recently, oh yeah, it;s getting really bad now. Curse you Anita Sarkeesian and your ridiculously outright ignorantly stupid bullshit.



  • @Tactical-Ochoa
    Ben 10 premiered about the time people started to complain that Loony Tunes was to violent and racist (CN edited the Loony Tunes cartoons as a result) so those kinds were already around.at the time.



  • @car54 Well, I did said probably. It's got a lot worse since then. That's for sure.



  • @Tactical-Ochoa
    Oh, no doubt about that.


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