Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions
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@csgt said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
Actually, MoA said Kevin and Charmcaster were always supposed to be “anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen”, that's very different from redemption. Take X-Men comics as an example, Magneto is an anti-hero foil to Charles Xavier. Magneto can even do good sometimes and join forces with the X-Men, but he always retains his shady personality and never becomes a "good guy". Based on all the evidence from OS, I'm sure MoA wouldn't do anything remotely alike to what AF did, making Kevin into Ben's BFF and Gwen's boyfriend, and retconing almost everything from his past (Max and Kevin's dad were partners and friends? Max didn't even know Kevin in OS.)
Dont forget they also retconned that last part in Omniverse
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i honestly didn't have a problem with kevin and ben being best friends in UAF it kinda gave ben that older brother figure that he could look up to in certain situations like when cash and jt picked on ben i do think that gwen and kevins relationship was rushed though
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I wonder when kisscartoon.me gonna show new Ben 10 Reboot episodes 31-36 including "Max To The Max" real soon?
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@jondennison72 I don't think the new episodes have aired yet.
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@Spookyohno if I remember correctly they air today in the uk
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hLD2OF7HVoE new promo dropped
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H08XiNEbNAk another clip
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@JrPhilgene The second clip that you posted is from the episode, Forgeti, which premiered at some special event in I think Texas to promote the US premiere of the Ben 10 reboot. I think it was something like SXSW 2017 or something of the likes. It's about Gwen finding this yeti in a forest while her and Ben are trying to rescue Max from Dr. Animo. I saw the episode a while ago on a YouTube channel, SPIDEREYE 10, but the channel's been terminated due to copyright claims. It's really just more of the same as every other episode.
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@Tactical-Ochoa said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@JrPhilgene The second clip that you posted is from the episode, Forgeti, which premiered at some special event in I think Texas to promote the US premiere of the Ben 10 reboot. I think it was something like SXSW 2017 or something of the likes. It's about Gwen finding this yeti in a forest while her and Ben are trying to rescue Max from Dr. Animo. I saw the episode a while ago on a YouTube channel, SPIDEREYE 10, but the channel's been terminated due to copyright claims. It's really just more of the same as every other episode.
Huh i never saw it!
10 Years Of Hero Time!!!!
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@Omni-Triforcer I believe someone linked it on here a while back.
Edit: Yeah, if you search "forgeti" in the search bar on this website, you'll find the links to the episode. Again, the channel that those links take you to has been terminated so the links don't work anymore.
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So Collider had an interview with Man of Action about the Ben 10 reboot. There's a lot of what Man of Action says here that really sets off my bullshit meter though. A lot of false things that they make mentions of. The rest is in regards to them providing more info about the future of the Ben 10 reboot. Apparently, Yuri Lowenthal might voice a character in the show according to Man of Action.
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They also confirmed new aliens in Season 2, which further confirms a new season.
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Yay, new aliens!
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New aliens! That's great news!
So, Man of Action subtle confirmed my headcanon that each new series was in fact a reboot set in another timeline, and not a sequel (The show has always rebooted. (...) it’s rebooted almost every two or three years for its entire life (...) there have been other Ben 10 reboots). I think we can officialy say that "Goodbye and Good Riddance" is the true ending of OS, and AF/UA happened in other universe, and OV happened in a third universe.
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@csgt Doesn't 'Goodbye and Good Riddance' take place in an alternate universe aswell?
Also, I could've sworn somewhere that they said Secret of the Omnitrix was the true final.
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There is something I'd like to point out.
They aren't reboots, they're sequels, this is the first ever Reboot of the franchise.
I think Man of Action is thinking this way because they don't fully like the idea of aging Ben too soon, while also losing their chance to create Alien Force before creative control was taken away.
So far the only thing I've really seen from future series in the Reboot was Billy Billions, Michael Morningstar whose now "Darkstar", and Water Hazard, along with using Big Chill's design onto the Prototype Stinkfly. But there's probably more things they did like that we'll see later on, at least I hope.It's Action Time!
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@Spookyohno Goodbye and Good Riddance had to be set in an alternate universe because Alien Force contradicts it. In Goodbye Ben's identity is exposed and in AF his identity is secret again. Otherwise, there is no problem admiting that Goodbye is part of the OS timeline.
@Ebomnitrix I think you're right, but I actually agree with Man of Action. Starting from AF, not only a lot of things from OS were retconed but also the whole dynamics of the series was changed from "Ben, his grandfather and his cousin" to "Kevin, his gilfriend and his friend", so considering that Man of Action are the original creators of Ben 10, they have every right to say "What those other guys did, it's a reboot, it's not a sequel to our work" (but of course they said that in a more polite way)
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@Ebomnitrix Except Man of Action wanted to make Ben 10: Hero Generation, which was supposed to focus on a teenage Ben and Gwen. If that's the sequel to the original show that they wanted to make, then even they saw that it was a good moment to have the characters age and grow up, which really confuses me when they mentioned that they thought it was too soon to have the characters age. Even then, the original show was around for three years with the show's timeline taking up the entire summer and it was too soon to have the characters age? It was the perfect time to have the characters age and grow up. Granted, I say that the Ben 10 fanfics, Little Moments and Breaking Point, did a much better job of having the characters age and grow up than what Alien Force did.
@csgt Go back and watch Goodbye and Good Riddance. At the beginning of the episode after the intro theme song, the episode establishes that it's a "What if" episode and therefore not canon.
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@Tactical-Ochoa I know, it begins with the "comic book intro", it's a possibility, not a certainty. But what I meant was, Goodbye doesn't contradict anything from OS, and I personally think it offers a nice ending to OS showing the end of the summer and Ben and Gwen still fighting crime together, so I see no harm in taking it as canon to the OS timeline.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I personally think they made Goodbye a "What If" episode only because they wasn't sure if CN was going to give them a fifth season. So, if they had another season, they could still keep the summer vacations going and ignore Goodbye, but if they didn't get another season (which was the case), they still had a great final episode wrapping up the summer vacations and the series as a whole.
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@csgt Regardless, the episode establishes that it's not canon. It doesn't matter if it's a fitting ending. It doesn't matter if it doesn't conflict with the continuity of the Original Series. It's established as a what-if episode and therefore not canon. Even the episode, Gwen 10, points out that it's one possibility for which the story could've gone and yet it's established as a what-if episode and therefore not canon. If that's the case for that episode, it's the same case for Goodbye and Good Riddance as well.
