Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 4: Show/Episode Discussions cont.
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@andrew42 Every time? I believe this is the first time I ever stated to you that I grew up with Ben 10. If not, I definitely did not tell you in every discussion that we had that I "grew up with Ben 10 so I know how it should be." I state what I think how Ben 10 should be based on what the franchise did right and wrong and based on all of my knowledge on how to set up a good show/film/video game/etc. How would you know that if I had things my way with Ben 10, the franchise would be dead? I never worked on Ben 10. I hope to get my Ben 10 video game idea made into an actual game in the future and I know that a lot of fans really like my idea. How would you know that me being in charge of making a Ben 10 show would mean the end of Ben 10? What if I make a Ben 10 show or video game and it turns out to be very success and popular?
Also, I never intend to scare little kids and possibly scar them for life with adult scenarios. If I intend to make a kid friendly cartoon, I would keep it kid friendly. If I were to make a Ben 10 show, I want for fans and viewers to like it. I said that Ben often puts himself in adult-like situations. I also said that the original show had some pretty crazy moments in it and I obviously didn't make the original show. That was Man of Action and the very people that worked at Cartoon Network Studios over 10 years ago. The original show still turned out to be very successful and very popular. I was a kid when I first saw Ben 10. I was once never scared and scarred by those very scenes and considering that again the show turned out to be very successful and popular, the same goes for every other kid that liked the original Ben 10. Courage the Cowardly Dog had some pretty scary scenes and kids weren't scarred by it. The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy had some pretty crazy stuff in it and kids weren't scarred by that show. The original Powerpuff Girls was a really violent show with some really crazy scenes in it and even went as far as to have stuff like blood in it. Kids weren't scarred by it.
And no, just because it's 2017 doesn't mean that certain things can and can't be done with Ben 10. The current year has nothing to do with how the entertainment industry should be and what it can and can't do. Ben 10 is part of entertainment art and because of that, it is free to be expressed in however way people want for it to be expressed as. If Cartoon Network and Man of Action wanted to, they could've put Ben 10 on Adult Swim. It worked very well with Samurai Jack after all. Ben 10 could be put on Netflix or could be made by a Japanese animation company (something that I recall plenty of users on this website wanting to see happen to Ben 10). Once again, the current year has nothing to do with how Ben 10 should be.
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I wonder when their gonna aired more new episodes of Ben 10 reboot season 2 including "Can I keep it"?
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@tactical-ochoa The samurai jack reboot wasn't very good. It changed Jack's character COMPLETELY. He went from a good guy to someone who's possibly insane, what with the hallucinations suggesting suicide. And the finale was an absolute mess, being incredibly rushed and not very interesting.
But seriously, what makes you feel you're so much more capable of making a good show then man of action? Cartoon network doesn't OWN or WRITE Ben 10 anymore. Man of action has complete control over the reboot. They wanted a more simplistic approach. They wanted to be a bit more silly and a bit less serious. They said, and i quote, "In this show, ben's just a kid who found a watch that turns him into aliens, and that's all the viewers need to worry about." That probably wasn't exactly word for word, but the point stands. The people who made the original are making the reboot.Nobody gets to choose how it happens.
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@andrew42 said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 4: Show/Episode Discussions cont.:
@tactical-ochoa The samurai jack reboot wasn't very good. It changed Jack's character COMPLETELY. He went from a good guy to someone who's possibly insane, what with the hallucinations suggesting suicide. And the finale was an absolute mess, being incredibly rushed and not very interesting.
But seriously, what makes you feel you're so much more capable of making a good show then man of action? Cartoon network doesn't OWN or WRITE Ben 10 anymore. Man of action has complete control over the reboot. They wanted a more simplistic approach. They wanted to be a bit more silly and a bit less serious. They said, and i quote, "In this show, ben's just a kid who found a watch that turns him into aliens, and that's all the viewers need to worry about." That probably wasn't exactly word for word, but the point stands. The people who made the original are making the reboot.Don’t bother arguing with him. It will get you nowhere and is just a waste of a a message on this thread and I’m sure its getting annoying to read Ochoa’s Page Long Essays because I’m annoyed by them so please just end it here.
Anyways, i feel this was a great episode to start off the season, and it seems like the Omni-Enhance function might be the mystery of the season all leading up to The reveal of a new alien. I have a theory that during the episode where Animo and Vilgax team up to steal Omnitrix DNA they somehow accidentally unlock the new alien, or it could just come after Ben has used all 10 Omni-Enhancements. I guess we will see.
10 Years Of Hero Time!!!!
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SAMURAI JACK WASN'T EVEN A REBOOT ANDREW
IT WAS A 5TH SEASON TO CONCLUDE THE SERIES!
And they literally explained why he acted the way he did and it was because of a 50 year gap that drove him insane of not aging or anything, and the season finale was like that because you can only do so much in 10 episodes.It's Action Time!
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@ebomnitrix fair enough. It felt like a reboot to me though...
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@ultimate-omnitri Ok, i'll stop fighting ochoa...
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@ebomnitrix you've got a lot of those Up Votes for that post, lol.
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@andrew42 Doesn't own or write? Cartoon Network still owns Ben 10. They still maintain ownership of it and it's not just Man of Action writing the show. Many of Cartoon Network Studios' writers are working on the Ben 10 reboot and you can find them by going to the Cast and Crew section on the Ben 10 reboot page on IMDB. Man of Action are the Executive Producers of the Ben 10 reboot. The same goes for John Fang, Brian A. Miller, and Jennifer Pelphrey of CN Studios and Tramm Wigzell and Rob Sorcher of Cartoon Network. The Ben 10 reboot is also directed by Nolan Obena for the art department, John McIntyre for animation, and Colin Heck for supervising. It's not just Man of Action that has creative control of the Ben 10 reboot. They may have more control over Ben 10 than they had before but they don't have full creative control. Cartoon Network still maintains control of the reboot themselves as well; especially since that again they still own Ben 10.
I believe I never claimed that I'm more capable of making a good show then Man of Action. If I did, I don't remember. I never made a show so I don't even know for sure unless I give it a try. If I have all the necessary resources that I need as well as an ideally skilled production team to work with, I'd be willing to give it a try. Granted though, you can find Ben 10 fan fiction that's better than the reboot. Hell, I know the perfect Ben 10 fanfic that's a better sequel to the original show than what we got from Alien Force to Omniverse. What I stated is that whatever I think Ben 10 should be is based off of what the franchise did right and wrong and based off of everything that I know on how to make a good show, which is a lot because I'm very analytical when it comes to shows, films, video games, etc and I'm currently working my way up into working as a Game Designer for my future career goal.
Finally, Man of Action says that all the viewers need to worry about is that Ben is just a kid who found a watch and turns into aliens yet the negative reception that the show got from most fans and viewers shows that viewers want more than just a kid that uses a watch to turn into aliens. Man of Action can't just tell viewers that all they need to worry about is this one minor thing about the show because the viewers and Man of Action don't think alike. The fans and viewers want more than just that. They want story. They want character development. They want the show to be action focused and not comedy focused. Etc. Most fans and viewers want the Ben 10 reboot to be Ben 10 and there's a lot more about Ben 10 that defines it than just a kid with an alien watch.
Yeah, Man of Action created the original and they're working on the reboot and most fans and viewers are not happy with what they made. I myself am starting to see Man of Action as the George Lucas of Ben 10.
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@tactical-ochoa Okay, i know @Ebomnitrix and @Ultimate-OmniTri want us to shut up right now. I'll keep my response brief. You should answer this question: What makes you think this show is getting negative reception from it's main audience? It was mostly for kids, and the shorter episodes were meant to fit with the recent cartoon status quo. Also, why do you think everyone shares your opinion? You're starting to sound like a sonic fan, because you just can't seem to accept anything new or different from the original. You act as though teen titans go isn't profitable or popular with the kids. Teen titans go was meant to be funny. This reboot follows that logic. You don't want to accept that this show wasn't meant for you in particular, or really our generation, so you constantly rant about how INFERIOR it is to the original. You can't let us enjoy anything, because you look at things incredibly negatively. I mean, really. We all get it. You don't like the reboot. Maybe if you don't look at it as a reboot, but rather its own thing, you might actually have a little fun. Seriously though, we get it. So please, stop trying to take our positive comments and prove why they are wrong. Please just let us say nice things about the reboot. Anyways, i'll shut up now, because this conversation leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Nobody gets to choose how it happens.
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Anyways, maybe this has been mentioned before, but i want to change the subject...
WHAT'S THIS?
Nobody gets to choose how it happens.
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@andrew42 Look around. Look up videos on YouTube and their comments section. Go onto social media. Go onto the Ben 10 Planet Wiki. Etc. You will find that most fans and viewers don't like the Ben 10 reboot and even some people have mentioned how they noticed that plenty of kids that fit with the intended audience don't like the Ben 10 reboot. There was a YouTuber that works in retail that noticed how little to no one bought any of the Ben 10 reboot toys at the store that he worked at and how shelves filled with toys from the older shows were emptied out by kids pretty quickly.
I don't think that everyone shares my opinions. Some people disagree with me and I'm completely fine with that. I also already stated before that on it's own, the Ben 10 reboot is decent at best and as I also stated before, I have mentioned certain things about the Ben 10 reboot that I thought were pretty good. I accept that this show isn't meant for me. Doesn't mean that I'm not going to give my thoughts on it anyways. I also do allow you guys to say nice things about the Ben 10 reboot. Plenty of times you guys talk about and praise the reboot, I don't respond. Why? Because I understand that you guys have your own opinions and I'm completely fine with that. What I'm not fine with is when you guys express bullshit and if that's what you're going to keep expressing, I'm going to call you out for it. Just because the show fits the status quo and is supposed to be more like TTG! doesn't mean that that's the right direction to go. I don't care if that's how things are because that doesn't always make it right. Christ, I don't even really care that much about TTG! itself anymore. I care more about what the show stands for and how it influenced Cartoon Network. So no, as long as you and others keep stating anything that is BS, I'm not going to stop. I'm also more than willing to state something positive if I find it to be good.
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@tactical-ochoa Please, just stop. You're making this website super inhospitable...
Also, i never said it was the right way, just that it works. Do you ever hear little kids say: "Ben 10 should fight moar bad guys" or "Ben 10 is to childish now" or "this doesn't make sense."Nobody gets to choose how it happens.
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@andrew42 That's just a screen Shot from an old Ben10 Reboot Commercial from 8 months ago.
Ben 10 he's a kid and he wants to have fun
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@ben-10-fan oh
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@andrew42 Pretty much yeah. I did just state that some people mentioned that they noticed plenty of kids expressing their dislike towards the Ben 10 reboot. I've even seen comments on YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, and the Ben 10 Planet Wiki of kids expressing their dislike of the Ben 10 reboot. You'd be surprised as to what kids really know and are capable of. Never underestimate them. I believe last year, a liberal reporter complained about how firing an AR-15 almost gave him PTSD. There are videos on YouTube showing little 10-12 year old girls firing AR-15s and having a blast. The new game, Cuphead, had this really stupid fiasco where a game journalist with 20 years of experience struggled a lot with just getting pass the very easy tutorial level. I saw a clip of a 4-year-old actually, properly explaining how to get pass the same tutorial level. I once saw a freakin toddler working his mother's phone and being able to efficiently use YouTube Kids to look up videos. Kids can really surprise you. There are a lot of kids out there that are a lot smarter and capable than many think.
Also, try not responding to my comments if you don't want me to respond back. Just saying.
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@tactical-ochoa Congrats. You said something remotely positive, even if it wasn't about ben 10.
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Actually after Omni-Tricked the reception to the reboot has been more positive then it was initially which i am very happy to see.
10 Years Of Hero Time!!!!
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@ultimate-omnitri True. The reception has become a little more positive. Most still see the overall first season as mediocre and bland but most fans and viewers do like Omni-Tricked. Even I said that it's arguably pretty good or at the very least decent. It's definitely the best episode in the first season. Granted though, if the second season doesn't deliver, we're going to be seeing that reception go back down. Still, Omni-Tricked did lighten things up some.
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The first episode was pretty good and although ive only seen 4 minutes of episode 2 that seems like it will be a good one to.
10 Years Of Hero Time!!!!
