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Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions

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  • They also confirmed new aliens in Season 2, which further confirms a new season.

  • Yay, new aliens!

  • New aliens! That's great news!

    So, Man of Action subtle confirmed my headcanon that each new series was in fact a reboot set in another timeline, and not a sequel (The show has always rebooted. (...) it’s rebooted almost every two or three years for its entire life (...) there have been other Ben 10 reboots). I think we can officialy say that "Goodbye and Good Riddance" is the true ending of OS, and AF/UA happened in other universe, and OV happened in a third universe.

  • New aliens! That's great news!

    So, Man of Action subtle confirmed my headcanon that each new series was in fact a reboot set in another timeline, and not a sequel (The show has always rebooted. (...) it’s rebooted almost every two or three years for its entire life (...) there have been other Ben 10 reboots). I think we can officialy say that "Goodbye and Good Riddance" is the true ending of OS, and AF/UA happened in other universe, and OV happened in a third universe.

    @csgt Doesn't 'Goodbye and Good Riddance' take place in an alternate universe aswell?

    Also, I could've sworn somewhere that they said Secret of the Omnitrix was the true final. 😛

  • There is something I'd like to point out.
    They aren't reboots, they're sequels, this is the first ever Reboot of the franchise.
    I think Man of Action is thinking this way because they don't fully like the idea of aging Ben too soon, while also losing their chance to create Alien Force before creative control was taken away.
    So far the only thing I've really seen from future series in the Reboot was Billy Billions, Michael Morningstar whose now "Darkstar", and Water Hazard, along with using Big Chill's design onto the Prototype Stinkfly. But there's probably more things they did like that we'll see later on, at least I hope.

  • @csgt Doesn't 'Goodbye and Good Riddance' take place in an alternate universe aswell?

    Also, I could've sworn somewhere that they said Secret of the Omnitrix was the true final. 😛

    @Spookyohno Goodbye and Good Riddance had to be set in an alternate universe because Alien Force contradicts it. In Goodbye Ben's identity is exposed and in AF his identity is secret again. Otherwise, there is no problem admiting that Goodbye is part of the OS timeline.

    @Ebomnitrix I think you're right, but I actually agree with Man of Action. Starting from AF, not only a lot of things from OS were retconed but also the whole dynamics of the series was changed from "Ben, his grandfather and his cousin" to "Kevin, his gilfriend and his friend", so considering that Man of Action are the original creators of Ben 10, they have every right to say "What those other guys did, it's a reboot, it's not a sequel to our work" (but of course they said that in a more polite way)

  • There is something I'd like to point out.
    They aren't reboots, they're sequels, this is the first ever Reboot of the franchise.
    I think Man of Action is thinking this way because they don't fully like the idea of aging Ben too soon, while also losing their chance to create Alien Force before creative control was taken away.
    So far the only thing I've really seen from future series in the Reboot was Billy Billions, Michael Morningstar whose now "Darkstar", and Water Hazard, along with using Big Chill's design onto the Prototype Stinkfly. But there's probably more things they did like that we'll see later on, at least I hope.

    @Ebomnitrix Except Man of Action wanted to make Ben 10: Hero Generation, which was supposed to focus on a teenage Ben and Gwen. If that's the sequel to the original show that they wanted to make, then even they saw that it was a good moment to have the characters age and grow up, which really confuses me when they mentioned that they thought it was too soon to have the characters age. Even then, the original show was around for three years with the show's timeline taking up the entire summer and it was too soon to have the characters age? It was the perfect time to have the characters age and grow up. Granted, I say that the Ben 10 fanfics, Little Moments and Breaking Point, did a much better job of having the characters age and grow up than what Alien Force did.

    @csgt Go back and watch Goodbye and Good Riddance. At the beginning of the episode after the intro theme song, the episode establishes that it's a "What if" episode and therefore not canon.

  • @Ebomnitrix Except Man of Action wanted to make Ben 10: Hero Generation, which was supposed to focus on a teenage Ben and Gwen. If that's the sequel to the original show that they wanted to make, then even they saw that it was a good moment to have the characters age and grow up, which really confuses me when they mentioned that they thought it was too soon to have the characters age. Even then, the original show was around for three years with the show's timeline taking up the entire summer and it was too soon to have the characters age? It was the perfect time to have the characters age and grow up. Granted, I say that the Ben 10 fanfics, Little Moments and Breaking Point, did a much better job of having the characters age and grow up than what Alien Force did.

    @csgt Go back and watch Goodbye and Good Riddance. At the beginning of the episode after the intro theme song, the episode establishes that it's a "What if" episode and therefore not canon.

    @Tactical-Ochoa I know, it begins with the "comic book intro", it's a possibility, not a certainty. But what I meant was, Goodbye doesn't contradict anything from OS, and I personally think it offers a nice ending to OS showing the end of the summer and Ben and Gwen still fighting crime together, so I see no harm in taking it as canon to the OS timeline.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I personally think they made Goodbye a "What If" episode only because they wasn't sure if CN was going to give them a fifth season. So, if they had another season, they could still keep the summer vacations going and ignore Goodbye, but if they didn't get another season (which was the case), they still had a great final episode wrapping up the summer vacations and the series as a whole.

  • @Tactical-Ochoa I know, it begins with the "comic book intro", it's a possibility, not a certainty. But what I meant was, Goodbye doesn't contradict anything from OS, and I personally think it offers a nice ending to OS showing the end of the summer and Ben and Gwen still fighting crime together, so I see no harm in taking it as canon to the OS timeline.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I personally think they made Goodbye a "What If" episode only because they wasn't sure if CN was going to give them a fifth season. So, if they had another season, they could still keep the summer vacations going and ignore Goodbye, but if they didn't get another season (which was the case), they still had a great final episode wrapping up the summer vacations and the series as a whole.

    @csgt Regardless, the episode establishes that it's not canon. It doesn't matter if it's a fitting ending. It doesn't matter if it doesn't conflict with the continuity of the Original Series. It's established as a what-if episode and therefore not canon. Even the episode, Gwen 10, points out that it's one possibility for which the story could've gone and yet it's established as a what-if episode and therefore not canon. If that's the case for that episode, it's the same case for Goodbye and Good Riddance as well.

  • I wonder when their aired more brand new Ben 10 Reboot episodes including "Bad Penny" "Scared Silly and "Max To The Max" on Cartoon Network? Will they show preview clips on Youtube.com or on KissCartoon or on dailymotion.com? Please let me know okay.

  • So when are Episodes 31-38 supposed to be airing?

  • https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/861616944000016384

    Yuri Lowenthal has apparently already recorded with everyone, so there's a good chance he might appear in Season 2, or Season 1 will be extended.

  • https://twitter.com/tarastrong/status/861616944000016384

    Yuri Lowenthal has apparently already recorded with everyone, so there's a good chance he might appear in Season 2, or Season 1 will be extended.

    @Spookyohno My guess is that Yuri Lowenthal is voicing the "Mad Ben" we saw in one of the latest trailers.

  • So when are Episodes 31-38 supposed to be airing?

    @Ebomnitrix that whole one eye closed thing kinda reminds me of that one episode in omniverse with ghostfreak

  • @Spookyohno My guess is that Yuri Lowenthal is voicing the "Mad Ben" we saw in one of the latest trailers.

    @csgt said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:

    @Spookyohno My guess is that Yuri Lowenthal is voicing the "Mad Ben" we saw in one of the latest trailers.

    I dont see him being a Mad Ben. Since Tara strong would most likely voice him.

  • So when are Episodes 31-38 supposed to be airing?

    @Ebomnitrix like the new Ben 10 clip of Scared Silly".Like to see more new Ben 10 cartoon clips including "Max to the Max" and "Zombozo-Land" real soon.

  • Forgeti and Scared Silly are online:
    Mainly SS since its new:
    https://www.watchcartoononline.io/ben-10-episode-32-scared-silly

  • Forgeti and Scared Silly are online:
    Mainly SS since its new:
    https://www.watchcartoononline.io/ben-10-episode-32-scared-silly

    @Ebomnitrix Hmm Episode 32 "Scared Silly" was actually a Scooby Doo Rip Off and the ending was pretty interesting, maybe the brothers were sent to the Null Void?
    Can't wait to see @Tactical-Ochoa His episode Review on this episode.

  • I really liked Scared Silly once we got to the second half of the episode
    Upgrade as a knight was amazing and I kinda got Paradox vibes once Wildvine was fighting against Karl with a K, along with the giant portal.

  • Ben 10 2016 Reboot Episode Review: The Charm Offensive

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    @csgt I do agree with you on Charmcaster's UAF design. Granted, as shown in the quote that you're using to respond to, that's not the point that I'm addressing here. I'm not stating that Charmcaster's UAF design looks unique overall. I'm stating that it looks better and more unique than Charmcaster's reboot design. Even though her UAF design isn't really unique on its own, is most certainly not a design that I like and favor, and doesn't even hold a candle to Charmcaster's OS design, it is a better and more visually unique design when compared to Charmcaster's reboot design, which, again, looks very much like a typical and generic Goth girl. Considering how they've handled the Ben 10 reboot so far, I doubt that they're going to make a connection between Hex and Charmcaster in the reboot. Her first name being Hope and the concept of Ledgerdomain itself are pretty much the only things related to Charmcaster in UAF that I liked. Ledgerdomain does have some nice potential and Hope sounds pretty ironic considering what Charmcaster went through with Hex before the events of the Original Series. Everything else with Charmcaster in UAF is stuff that I don't like. I most especially don't like how they handled her relationship with Hex in UAF though given that it very much conflicts with what was established with them in the OS. Granted, you do make a good point. Charmcaster, and Hex, were terribly handled and written in the sequel shows. However, when it came down to Charmcaster as a character, I really only compared the reboot Charmcaster to the OS Charmcaster because yeah, Charmcaster went through a pretty severe downgrade in the sequel shows and Charmcaster was at her best in the OS. I do have an interest in making an article about Charmcaster and analyzing her as a character, much like how I did with other characters such as Julie Yamamoto and Professor Paradox. I know for sure that this Charmcaster article is going to address the points about her in UAF that you made here.
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    New Thread Opened, This One will now be locked. Continue Discussion Here: https://ben10club.org/topic/344/addressing-the-ben-10-reboot-part-5-season-2
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    I split the topic and moved it to Ben 10 reboot section. http://ben10club.org/topic/121/addressing-the-ben-10-reboot-which-is-actually-a-remake-and-not-a-reboot/3 I am now locking this topic.