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Talk about anything Ben 10 — the original series, Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, Omniverse, the reboot, and whatever else is on your mind.

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  • Excited about the Ben 10 Reboot this fall? We're too.

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    ![alt text]([image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgZ_sP1QIp-88QnVXorOZGnWVJqPbBW3pULg&s]) When is Spanner getting his cartoon series?
  • Ben, Gwen, Kevin, Vilgax and every alien in the Omnitrix — discuss the characters of the Ben 10 universe.
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    I miss Spanner's Ben 10 story, and I'm wonder why Ben 10's son hasn't had his own cartoon series.
  • Episode-by-episode discussion and reviews across Ben 10, Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, Omniverse and the reboot.
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    Tactical OchoaT
    There are two things that I'm going to address here with this season finale in Ultimate Alien. One, Ben's decision to kill Kevin and two, what I think is a missed opportunity with Ultimate Kevin. Now it has been a while since I've seen Ultimate Alien so if I get anything wrong, feel free to correct me on it. In regards to Ben wanting to kill Kevin, I recall seeing many in discussions argue that it was an out of character moment. That it wasn't something that Ben would've actually done. I don't think that is what makes his decision to kill Kevin the problem here. I think it's more on the matter that it wasn't handled well. Maybe even came out of nowhere and had little to no build up or something. The idea of Ben being pushed to kill someone is actually a solid direction to take the character in and this isn't the first time this actually happened in the franchise either. The Ben 10,000 episode in the Original Series established that there would be a point where Ben would kill Vilgax and do so in a rather brutal and gory fashion. In fact, the Little Moments fan fiction series very much indeed has Ben kill Vilgax in the very fashion that the Ben 10,000 episode implied and I say that it was handled quite well. This is an event that would impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. Heck, the Ken 10 episode showed Ben nearly beating Kevin 11,000 to death because Kevin harmed Ben's son, Ken. It wouldn't be out of character for Ben to be pushed into killing someone, but instead, is an important character moment for him. I just don't think that the Absolute Power season finale in Ultimate Alien handled that well. There is one thing that I do think was certainly out of character for Ben to do and that is attack Gwen. Given everything that those two have been through together, how much their relationship has improved, and how much they care for each other, I don't see Ben EVER doing that. I had that same issue with the 3D CGI Ben 10 short that was meant to promote Destroy All Aliens as well. No matter how much they fought and argued with each other, I don't see them going so far as to use the Omnitrix and magic to literally fight each other. That was one of the dumbest and nonsensical moments in Ben 10 and their fight scene with each other in Absolute Power was also dumb and nonsensical. Then there's Ultimate Kevin. I've stated plenty of times before on how I prefer for Kevin to be a villain instead of a hero and explained my reasonings as to why. I think it just seems more fitting for Kevin to be a villain and to fulfill the role of being Ben's evil reflection. I think Ultimate Kevin is a missed opportunity to put Kevin back into that very role. Not just that, but also act as a good and fitting moment that would significantly impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. I stated this in a Ben 10 Discord server that I'm in so I'm going to share it here as well. I think how I would've handled the Absolute Power finale is not have Ben decide right away that Kevin needed to be killed. Instead, have Ben contemplate how he should handle Kevin. To make a tough decision of whether if there still is a way to help Kevin or if Ben really is forced to have to kill him in order to stop him, an option that Ben doesn't want to pursue. After all, Ben is a hero. He wants to help people. Ben and Gwen work together to hatch up a plan to help Kevin. They don't fight each other. They work together. I think almost everything else from that finale can pretty much stay. Darkstar and Cooper are recruited and preparations are being made. Kevin absorbs some of Gwen's mana, thus painting a target on her, which makes Ben concerned. Kevin just hurt Gwen and the plan relies on Gwen intentionally putting herself in danger and being bait. Maybe the plan is starting to get too risky now, thus Ben contemplates his options of killing or saving Kevin again for the reason of wanting to protect Gwen. Ben cares about Gwen and doesn't want for Gwen to get hurt or worse. The plan is enacted and then things go wrong. The plan falls apart (maybe at least some of the energy and DNA that Kevin absorbed is taken out of him to be given back to his victims). Maybe Darkstar betrays the group and sabotages the machine that was supposed to turn Kevin back to normal. Maybe Kevin has too much energy and DNA in him and it causes the machine to overload and malfunction. Either way, Kevin doesn't return back to normal. Kevin is still in his mutated and insane state and he goes after Gwen. Gwen's life is in danger, pushing Ben to his limit and he nearly kills Kevin to protect her. The plan is a failure and it seems that there's pretty much nothing that can be done now to help Kevin. Kevin is too far gone and all that can be done at this point is to toss him into the Null Void. Ben and Gwen are deeply impacted by this event, thus contributing to Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. I think this is pretty much how I would've handled Absolute Power differently here. I think this would make Ben's decision to kill Kevin seem more fitting and better handled, Kevin would be a villain again, and this would be a character defining moment that would impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. If anyone has any thoughts of their own on this topic, feel free to leave a comment.
  • Ideas for new Ben 10 aliens, episodes and storylines, plus suggestions for how Ben 10 Club itself should work.
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    The Sequences: Google Drive
  • If the Ben 10 reboot was done by Legend of Korra staff

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    @GoodVibes1999 I'm not a big fan either, but with the animation style and great writing from Greg Wiseman back, it would be a true masterpiece.
  • Help us translate Ben 10 Club!

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    @Ben-10-Fan Everything looks well. The channel's details are now available in Dutch. Thank you for the participation!
  • Why CN doesn't like Story Arcs.

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    @Omni-Triforcer Just going to copy and paste this comment that I made here from the Ben 10 Forums site. Agree. It's BS yet that seems to be the mindset that networks such as Cartoon Network seem to follow now. Comedy and modern trends and memes over actual story, quality, and creativity. Making comedy shows is fine to do but at the same time kids should also experience strong and compelling stories and some very creative ideas and all that stuff. Kids should experience and witness what it truly takes to make great shows. To see various examples of how great stories, characters, settings, ideas, styles, etc can be executed and implemented into entertainment media. These are kids that we're talking about here. Young individuals with young and developing minds. Kids that are constantly learning more about pretty much everything they see in their lives. This is one of the major reasons as to why I get so ticked off about the excuse by writers and network companies of " oh, we're making shows for kids so we don't need to put a lot of effort into our shows because kids don't know any better." Again, comedy shows are fine to make but that shouldn't be the only thing that kids should be exposed to on networks such as Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network. At least in my opinion, kids shouldn't be exposed to shows such as Teen Titans Go!, Uncle Grandpa, and the PPG reboot. They should see and experience shows such as Courage the Cowardly Dog, the original Ben 10, Ed Edd n Eddy, Samurai Jack, Gravity Falls, Avatar The Last Airbender, etc and networks should put a lot more of a focus on making shows that is on the very level of quality or higher as the very shows that I listed. This is our future generation here. Networks should also help our future generation develop and grow throughout their early years so that they can become better individuals later on in their lives instead of just exploiting them just to garner some more cash off of them and their parents.
  • Steven T. Seagle AMA on Reddit 4/12/16 4pm PST/7pm EST

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    @Ben-10-Fan said: So there where Ben 10 questions in Stevens Q&A and everything new we know we know is that the Voice Cast is already revealed but for now it's only for CN and MOA and Steven T. seagle has said some thinks about the Ben 10 live action movie in 2017 he said: There is a live action B10 in PRE-production with Joel Silver, but it is nowhere near any kind of point of being in a theater - let alone next year! Movies are big difficult beasts to get rolling. So keep your fingers crossed and your eyes on the MOA social media and we'll let you know if anything gets locked down. @Ben-10-Fan said: So there where Ben 10 questions in Stevens Q&A and everything new we know is that the Voice Cast is already revealed but for now it's only for CN and MOA and Steven T. seagle has said some thinks about the Ben 10 live action movie in 2017 he said: There is a live action B10 in PRE-production with Joel Silver, but it is nowhere near any kind of point of being in a theater - let alone next year! Movies are big difficult beasts to get rolling. So keep your fingers crossed and your eyes on the MOA social media and we'll let you know if anything gets locked down.
  • Should Ben 10 go to Toonami?

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    @Ben-10-Fan Ok
  • New Dutch Promo

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    @Rexfan1333 That's what we're pretty much hoping for here. That CN would actually surprise us and make a good Ben 10 show for once.
  • Ben 10 still active in the App Store

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    @Rexfan1333 Agree. That's why I'm hoping that I can get a job at PlatinumGames and get my Ben 10 video game idea accepted and green lit. Really show the potential that the series really truly has in a video game.
  • Ben 10 protector of earth video game

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    Okay will do also I will try to get the Xbox version and a vita version if they have it
  • What aliens do you think will return in the Ben 10 Reboot?

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    i have that feeling to although i really dont want it i want to see his orgin in this universe
  • What is the future of the Ben 10 Franchise?

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    well we need to see how the reboot goes first who knows a sequal could just be ben back in school or it could be a af reboot honeslty its what the writers feel is the best.
  • When do you think we will first see Ben 10 toys for the reboot?

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    id say that new york toy fair is a pretty safe bet
  • Ben 10 anniversary special

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  • Original Concept

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    @Tactical-Ochoa Actually, maybe some of this original concept was used for Omniverse. Honestly, though, while the whole alternate universes concept and the different Bens was pretty cool, I felt that Cartoon Network overdid it and made it too complicating or something and/or, to me, it just felt like that having a main focus on the different timelines just doesn't fit the Ben 10 series. I guess Omniverse could be an example of proof that the original concept just likely wouldn't work for the Ben 10 series.
  • FIFTH BEN 10 SERIES CONFIRMED! (2016 Reboot)

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    they should an entire series about ken 10 and devlin 11
  • The Ben 10 Series

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    @chronosapien234 Yes, true. The Circus Freaks were important with his plan. However, that's just because they're villainous henchmen characters. Even without Zombozo, the Circus Freaks still end up temporarily as the henchmen to another villain. You know, Ghostfreak. Pretty much almost every time we've seen the Circus Freaks, they are serving somebody. Mostly Zombozo. They're just villainous henchmen characters. They helped but they're not really all that important. In fact, I believe that there pretty much wouldn't be a difference at all if they aren't around. Why? Because, again, they're henchmen. They're also basic thugs, too. The Circus Freaks are not that important. Also, this is about Zombozo as a character and villain. What makes Zombozo who he is. Why he is like that. How he executes his plans. What makes Zombozo as Zombozo and he doesn't need the Circus Freaks for that. That is another out of the many problems with Omniverse and even the other sequels. The Original Series was able to do things that not many cartoon shows ever did. The Original Series did something new. The sequels were generic and typical cartoon shows. They barely did anything new if nothing new at all. That episode in Omniverse with Zombozo turning everyone in Bellwood into zombie clowns. If it was a nod to the Original Series, it failed at trying to delivery and do something unique and impressive. No instead, it ended up being another terrible episode due to Ben regaining his fear of clowns and one major plot hole that really ruined that episode, let alone the sheer cartoonish stupidity of it. Does nobody remember that Zombozo and the Circus Freaks are villains? Does nobody remember what they've done in the past? Oh, Ben regained his fear of clowns, huh? Thanks for making Ben conquering his fears in the Original Series pointless now, Cartoon Network. As for the plot hole, ask yourself this question? Those toy teeth that turn people into zombie clowns. Yeah, how is it that those teeth can bite through Plumber armor and hazmat suits let alone BASIC CLOTHING? They're plastic toy teeth. Is Plumber armor really that terrible and not that protective? I thought Stormtrooper armor was bad enough. Plumber armor is even worse. That one plot hole alone makes that entire episode freakin stupid and terrible. It shows how poor and lazy the writing, structuring, and designing of the sequels are. I know it's a cartoon show but again, it needs to make sense and needs to be understandable enough to work.
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