Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions
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@npzman said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
I have a feeling that the 6th series of Ben 10 will be a sequal to the reboot. That will be hero generations Charmcaster will replace ben.
Um what do you mean charmcaster will replace ben? Hes the star of the show lol
@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
Um what do you mean charmcaster will replace ben? Hes the star of the show lol
I mean replace Kevin my mistake not Ben. I was typing too fast
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@csgt said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@GoodVibes1999 I actually think Albedo was created to replace Kevin as "Evil Ben" after AF writers decided to make Kevin the hero of the show.
Is Kevin confirmed to appear in the reboot? I think he is kind of a "toxic" character to use now. Obviously, MOA originally intended him to be a villain (The OS episode "Ken 10" is proof that MOA never wanted to redeem Kevin), but now it would be hard to write him the way they want without getting backlash from a lot of AF/UA/OV fans, so maybe they will simple ignore him instead - Or not, since they are already getting backlash from fans anyway xD
[Por falar nisso, você sabe se já começou a passar aqui no Brasil?]
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
Actually, MoA said Kevin and Charmcaster were always supposed to be “anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen”, that's very different from redemption. Take X-Men comics as an example, Magneto is an anti-hero foil to Charles Xavier. Magneto can even do good sometimes and join forces with the X-Men, but he always retains his shady personality and never becomes a "good guy". Based on all the evidence from OS, I'm sure MoA wouldn't do anything remotely alike to what AF did, making Kevin into Ben's BFF and Gwen's boyfriend, and retconing almost everything from his past (Max and Kevin's dad were partners and friends? Max didn't even know Kevin in OS.)
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Speaking of Kevin and composite characters, if you read up about the reboot Frightwig on TvTropes, it explains that she's a composite character. Frightwig displays characteristics of being mischievous like Ben but in a more villainous way as well as TvTropes pulling out parallels with Frightwig's hair and Ben's Omnitrix. Basically, TvTropes compares Frightwig to Kevin, saying how she has similar personalities to Ben but darker much like Kevin did in the Original Series, thus acting as Ben's evil counterpart. I guess I kind of see that in her. So for anyone that thinks that Frightwig is more interesting, this is why. I guess the reboot Frightwig is the new Kevin here. Maybe. However, this created a big concern for me.
IF this really is how they're portraying Frightwig in the Ben 10 reboot, then what does that mean for Kevin? Is he going to make an appearance? If so, how is he going to be portrayed? What makes Kevin at his best is him being that very true evil counterpart to Ben and as I explained many times in the past, Kevin doesn't work well outside of that. To me, it feels like they dug themselves into a corner with these characters.
If they bring back Kevin and make him like he was in the Original Series, then the changes they made to Frightwig in the reboot are pretty much pointless. Instead of taking Frightwig and changing her, they could've just bring back Kevin instead. If they bring back Kevin and they change him to be different from his Original Series self, then that would undermine Kevin as a character and his purpose as a villain. If they decide not to bring Kevin back, then they lose one of the most significant and necessary villains in the franchise and the reboot will get hit hard for that. At least that's my take on it.
@Omni-Triforcer Duncan Rouleau confirmed that Kevin was supposed to be an anti-hero. Even then, if they stuck to the Ben 10,000 future shown in the Original Series, then that would mean that eventually Kevin would end up going back to his old ways and being a villain again.
@Tactical-Ochoa Very interesting. Speaking for myself, I didn't pick up on any similarities between Reboot Frightwig and Kevin. I think it might be just a coincidence, or maybe someone reading too much in between the lines. I liked Reboot Frightwig, and I don't think it would hurt her portrayal to have Kevin around as a villain too.
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@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
Actually, MoA said Kevin and Charmcaster were always supposed to be “anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen”, that's very different from redemption. Take X-Men comics as an example, Magneto is an anti-hero foil to Charles Xavier. Magneto can even do good sometimes and join forces with the X-Men, but he always retains his shady personality and never becomes a "good guy". Based on all the evidence from OS, I'm sure MoA wouldn't do anything remotely alike to what AF did, making Kevin into Ben's BFF and Gwen's boyfriend, and retconing almost everything from his past (Max and Kevin's dad were partners and friends? Max didn't even know Kevin in OS.)
@csgt said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
MOA confirmed that kevin was always supposed to be redeemed.
Actually, MoA said Kevin and Charmcaster were always supposed to be “anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen”, that's very different from redemption. Take X-Men comics as an example, Magneto is an anti-hero foil to Charles Xavier. Magneto can even do good sometimes and join forces with the X-Men, but he always retains his shady personality and never becomes a "good guy". Based on all the evidence from OS, I'm sure MoA wouldn't do anything remotely alike to what AF did, making Kevin into Ben's BFF and Gwen's boyfriend, and retconing almost everything from his past (Max and Kevin's dad were partners and friends? Max didn't even know Kevin in OS.)
Dont forget they also retconned that last part in Omniverse
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i honestly didn't have a problem with kevin and ben being best friends in UAF it kinda gave ben that older brother figure that he could look up to in certain situations like when cash and jt picked on ben i do think that gwen and kevins relationship was rushed though
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I wonder when kisscartoon.me gonna show new Ben 10 Reboot episodes 31-36 including "Max To The Max" real soon?
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I wonder when kisscartoon.me gonna show new Ben 10 Reboot episodes 31-36 including "Max To The Max" real soon?
@jondennison72 I don't think the new episodes have aired yet.
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@jondennison72 I don't think the new episodes have aired yet.
@Spookyohno if I remember correctly they air today in the uk
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hLD2OF7HVoE new promo dropped
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H08XiNEbNAk another clip
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H08XiNEbNAk another clip
@JrPhilgene The second clip that you posted is from the episode, Forgeti, which premiered at some special event in I think Texas to promote the US premiere of the Ben 10 reboot. I think it was something like SXSW 2017 or something of the likes. It's about Gwen finding this yeti in a forest while her and Ben are trying to rescue Max from Dr. Animo. I saw the episode a while ago on a YouTube channel, SPIDEREYE 10, but the channel's been terminated due to copyright claims. It's really just more of the same as every other episode.
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@JrPhilgene The second clip that you posted is from the episode, Forgeti, which premiered at some special event in I think Texas to promote the US premiere of the Ben 10 reboot. I think it was something like SXSW 2017 or something of the likes. It's about Gwen finding this yeti in a forest while her and Ben are trying to rescue Max from Dr. Animo. I saw the episode a while ago on a YouTube channel, SPIDEREYE 10, but the channel's been terminated due to copyright claims. It's really just more of the same as every other episode.
@Tactical-Ochoa said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@JrPhilgene The second clip that you posted is from the episode, Forgeti, which premiered at some special event in I think Texas to promote the US premiere of the Ben 10 reboot. I think it was something like SXSW 2017 or something of the likes. It's about Gwen finding this yeti in a forest while her and Ben are trying to rescue Max from Dr. Animo. I saw the episode a while ago on a YouTube channel, SPIDEREYE 10, but the channel's been terminated due to copyright claims. It's really just more of the same as every other episode.
Huh i never saw it!
10 Years Of Hero Time!!!!
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@Tactical-Ochoa said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@JrPhilgene The second clip that you posted is from the episode, Forgeti, which premiered at some special event in I think Texas to promote the US premiere of the Ben 10 reboot. I think it was something like SXSW 2017 or something of the likes. It's about Gwen finding this yeti in a forest while her and Ben are trying to rescue Max from Dr. Animo. I saw the episode a while ago on a YouTube channel, SPIDEREYE 10, but the channel's been terminated due to copyright claims. It's really just more of the same as every other episode.
Huh i never saw it!
@Omni-Triforcer I believe someone linked it on here a while back.
Edit: Yeah, if you search "forgeti" in the search bar on this website, you'll find the links to the episode. Again, the channel that those links take you to has been terminated so the links don't work anymore.
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So Collider had an interview with Man of Action about the Ben 10 reboot. There's a lot of what Man of Action says here that really sets off my bullshit meter though. A lot of false things that they make mentions of. The rest is in regards to them providing more info about the future of the Ben 10 reboot. Apparently, Yuri Lowenthal might voice a character in the show according to Man of Action.
Ben 10: Man of Action on the Reboot's Story, Cast, Characters
Man of Action, the creative team behind the smash hit 'Ben 10', talks about the latest reboot, teasing upcoming story decisions, powers, and transformations
Collider (collider.com)
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They also confirmed new aliens in Season 2, which further confirms a new season.
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Yay, new aliens!
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New aliens! That's great news!
So, Man of Action subtle confirmed my headcanon that each new series was in fact a reboot set in another timeline, and not a sequel (The show has always rebooted. (...) it’s rebooted almost every two or three years for its entire life (...) there have been other Ben 10 reboots). I think we can officialy say that "Goodbye and Good Riddance" is the true ending of OS, and AF/UA happened in other universe, and OV happened in a third universe.
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New aliens! That's great news!
So, Man of Action subtle confirmed my headcanon that each new series was in fact a reboot set in another timeline, and not a sequel (The show has always rebooted. (...) it’s rebooted almost every two or three years for its entire life (...) there have been other Ben 10 reboots). I think we can officialy say that "Goodbye and Good Riddance" is the true ending of OS, and AF/UA happened in other universe, and OV happened in a third universe.
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There is something I'd like to point out.
They aren't reboots, they're sequels, this is the first ever Reboot of the franchise.
I think Man of Action is thinking this way because they don't fully like the idea of aging Ben too soon, while also losing their chance to create Alien Force before creative control was taken away.
So far the only thing I've really seen from future series in the Reboot was Billy Billions, Michael Morningstar whose now "Darkstar", and Water Hazard, along with using Big Chill's design onto the Prototype Stinkfly. But there's probably more things they did like that we'll see later on, at least I hope. -
@csgt Doesn't 'Goodbye and Good Riddance' take place in an alternate universe aswell?
Also, I could've sworn somewhere that they said Secret of the Omnitrix was the true final.
@Spookyohno Goodbye and Good Riddance had to be set in an alternate universe because Alien Force contradicts it. In Goodbye Ben's identity is exposed and in AF his identity is secret again. Otherwise, there is no problem admiting that Goodbye is part of the OS timeline.
@Ebomnitrix I think you're right, but I actually agree with Man of Action. Starting from AF, not only a lot of things from OS were retconed but also the whole dynamics of the series was changed from "Ben, his grandfather and his cousin" to "Kevin, his gilfriend and his friend", so considering that Man of Action are the original creators of Ben 10, they have every right to say "What those other guys did, it's a reboot, it's not a sequel to our work" (but of course they said that in a more polite way)
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