CN's treatment of Ben 10
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@Tactical-Ochoa
I agree some of the art is even better than the original series. and a lot of the pics of them as teens look more like the original characters aged up than what we saw in AF.
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@Omni-Triforcer If Ben 10 isn't earning CN a profit anymore, then they'll be more willing to just give up on it. That's the thing here with CN and their toy lines. No money, no show/series and with that, again, if MOA can play their cards right on that, they can get Ben 10 back in their hands.
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@Omni-Triforcer I love the idea of Ben 10 comics done in DC Comics, would be even cooler to have crossovers with DC heroes like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. (I can see Gwen being a WW fan girl as well)
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@Tactical-Ochoa Me too
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@Rexfan1333 @Omni-Triforcer DC Comics making ben 10 comics could be fine but I would rather not let DC and/or Warner Bros themselves make Ben 10 shows since that Warner Bros is under the same umbrella as CN since that both Warner Bros and CN are part of the Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. Therefore, if DC or Warners Bros make a Ben 10 show, the series might end up being back in CN's hands again. Again, DC Comics making Ben 10 could be fine to do. Just something I want to mention here as well.
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@Omni-Triforcer I wouldn't want Ben 10 just be fan service, it's just CN doesn't care and are making Ben 10 for the toys. I feel if CN cared about the series as well as the story and characters enough (which they don't, they haven't done any thing for the 10 year Omniversary) the series would be great like it was before the sequels.
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@Rexfan1333 Agree. Even the fact that CN did nothing for the 10th Anniversary of the Ben 10 series shows just how much CN doesn't care about Ben 10. I mean like a great way to celebrate the 10th Anniversary would be to do a marathon of the Ben 10 Original Series. At least that's my way to celebrate Ben 10. Hell, the Ben 10 Club celebrated the 10th Anniversary with a live stream Anniversary Event on YouTube. We could of even had someone from MOA participate in the interview. At least that's what the Ben 10 Club tried to set up but unfortunately it wasn't able to happen. At least I got a chance to participate in an interview for the event. Either way, this series just needs to be taken out of CN's hands because they just don't treat it well anymore yet the Ben 10 Club is one of the many prominent examples that shows that there are still a lot of fans that truly care for this series and only want the best for Ben 10.
Hell, you guys want a much better sequel to the Original Series that gives Ben 10 the justice and respect it needs and deserves, look up those Ben 10 fan fiction stories that I linked on this website. Trust me, you will be in for one hell of a great treat.
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@Rexfan1333 ive always wanted to see a ben 10 vs beast boy fight. I also just realized the Man Of Action should try to get the rights to generator rex back to.
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I don't know if this thread is the right place to post it but this Tumblr user basically said everything I think about the haters of this reboot who keep annoying other people who want to give it a chance and probably are annoying CN and MOA too:
Dear small minority of the Ben 10 fandom, they’re not going to cancel the reboot just because you hate it. Stop humiliating yourselves and just give up! Whether you want it or not, it will happen and the new generation of children are going to like it.And here's another post from the same user who describes quite well what I feel:
Why so many people can’t understand that the reboot won’t be canceled just because they want something darker and edgier? Cartoon Network has a lot of money and they won’t stop making more just because you’ll stop watching them. Some fans genuinely like the reboot (like me) and don’t care if it’ll be lighter and sofrer or not. Many new fans are going to appear and no one is going to miss you haters! The reboot will premiere this year in most countries, just deal with it. Cartoon Network and Man of Action aren’t hearing the haters, they are following their own opinions. So… Um… Just shut up, nothing is gonna change!I know, he was kinda rude at the end of the text but I think he was completely right! Stop saying bad things about the reboot and just wait until October. If you hate it, just don't watch! You don't need to ruin the fun of the ones who want this reboot to succeed.
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@GoodVibes1999 I'm not hating on the reboot (I hope it will be good to be honest), I'm just saying it just feels like they are not even trying to make it good and just revving it for the money and not for love.
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@Rexfan1333 I know that now, my message was to the ones who keep saying bad things about the reboot without watching it first.
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@GoodVibes1999 I don't hate the art, but it feels a bit too simplistic (a lot of CN shows are these days), I understand you are giving it a chance and I am too, I just don't want a dumb down version of the original series. I hope it won't go that route. Hope you understand.
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@GoodVibes1999 yeah, I hate haters too and I'm willing to give this reboot a chance instead of not watching. (I thought Regular show looked dumb, but I liked when I gave it a chance, I hope it be the same with the reboot)
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@GoodVibes1999 I'm on board with @Rexfan1333 here. I don't hate the reboot. I just give it a lot of criticism based on what we know so far at the moment. Not only that but this is a reboot. A YouTuber known as PIEGUYRULZ explained in his recent Vlog video about the Powderpuff Girls reboot promo trailer that he's more critical about reboots in general because of how a lot, if not most, of the time, reboots are just there to act as cash grabs with little to no passion, respect, effort, and care put into it. I have to agree on that because it's true. Most of the time, reboots are there to act as cash grabs now. Just take a look at Hollywood. Therefore, I'm not going soft here. I'm going to be more critical about this reboot here whether you like it or not. I, too, hope that this reboot turns out good and I am willing to give it a chance but I rather follow my expectations based on what I know at the moment and my expectations are very low right now.
Oh by the way, don't reference Tumblr like ever. Considering how Tumblr is today, many many many people see it as a joke and no longer take it seriously anymore because Tumblr is now just populated by idiots that just rage about something without giving a proper persuasive argument like the guy you mentioned here. That's not even the real reason why many people are "hating" on this reboot. This Tumblr user even tells people to shut up as if their opinions don't matter. Take this as a tip. Don't reference Tumblr.
Here's another tip. Don't ever use that "If you hate it, just don't watch!" excuse/argument aka the "Don't like, don't watch!" excuse/argument. It makes you look like an idiot, an asshole, and you are contradicting yourself greatly. You're telling us not to watch the reboot if we hate it and yet what are you doing reading our opinions. This video from PIEGUYRULZ explains pretty much perfectly counter argues this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiGMXlyEtaA
Here is another video that I did link on my "Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot" page before that counter argues what the Tumblr user is babbling on. This Tumblr user, at least for the most part, is not right about his argument, if you can even call that an argument. This person thinks that our voices and opinions won't do any changes. This video explains why he's wrong and why I encourage more people to voice their opinions out and send their opinions to CN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6lvDL4cNdM&list=PLlRceUcRZcK0E1Id3NHchFaxikvCvAVQe&index=21
I'm not trying to be mean here. I guess being stern is the right way to put this post here. I understand that you don't like to read negative opinions about the Ben 10 reboot but we all have our voices here and we can freely give our opinions regardless of how positive or negative they are. You don't like it, I'm sorry but you're going to have to deal with it because it's not going away like ever. That's the best thing that you can do here.
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I dont hate the reboot i am actually very optimistic for the reboot. The art style doesnt look that bad to me. Im just preparing for the worst so when the show is not the worst i will like it. I just hope to god it's not a comedy centric show
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@Rexfan1333 okay but, Phil Bourassa dos concept work for the original Ben 10, and there are former Generator Rex AND Ultimate Alien staff members working on the reboot.
Plus Korea is the one doing the fine tuning to the animation and coloring
Basically what I mean to say is, you're getting what you've all wanted with this reboot (and a bit more, and I wish I could elaborate on what I mean but it'll have to wait) and a style doesn't have to be realistic or intricate to be good
Also, as an artist and someone who's starting to dabble in animation, I don't think a lot of you understand just how difficult it can be to animate detailed character models. Even shows that have simple designs can take a friggin long time to do because of what the animation itself does, and it also takes time to send it over and get it back from the other countries that help work on it.
I know it probably /seems/ simple to just hire a detailed design artist and then pop some ideas into the cartoon machine and have an entire show pop out but that's not how it works
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@Hawk-Kawaii yeah, I understand that animation is hard work and is expensive (that's what I like about it and I want to be an animator beacuse it's what I always loved as a kid), but CN doesn't seem to want to take any hard work in this reboot at all and just doing it for cash grabs (I'm hoping they are trying to make this great, but it's hard to really think that), the original series had a great art style that made it great, I have nothing against the reboot design but it's still hard to get use to.
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@Rexfan1333 Agree.
Also, I was speaking with shadows59 on FanFiction.net (that's the author of Little Moments and Breaking Point) and we ended up thinking of this approach with Netflix, a Japanese studio, and Ben 10. It's probably more likely that if the rights for Ben 10 are taken away from CN, then it would end up in the hands of Netflix. However, if MOA does get Ben 10 back in their hands, then they could take the series to a Japanese anime production studio and form up partnerships with networks such as Netflix and/or other companies of the likes to air Ben 10 onto. It could help Man of Action have the freedom and control they truly need to make a truly great Ben 10 show in the very way that they envisioned it without having a network telling them what to do. I think that's right.
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@Tactical-Ochoa It would be fantastic if that happened. Is it too much to hope for.
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@car54 Not really. It's possible just as long as it's done right. Well that and MOA would have to get Ben 10 away from CN and back in their hands. Considering how CN is currently doing, it might take at least a few years for the rights of Ben 10 to be sent to someone if CN keeps going downhill. It might even be shorter or longer depending on how the Powerpuff Girls and Ben 10 reboot does when they air. As long as the cards are played right, it can be done.
