Ben 10 Reboot Discussion Part 1: Season 2
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I hope that's Kevin next to Ben.
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It seems like it's Vilgax's ship. Since Ben looks like Upgrade, Grandpa Max looks like Cannonbolt and Gwen seems to be Stinkfly, I'd say that maybe Vilgax is messing with their DNAs and the hybrid creature is Vilgax himself (the form is probably just a small nod to Kevin, just like Amalgam Ben). If It were Kevin, I think we'd see the hair or something resembling him, but that's just a guess.
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Guys Duncan Rouleau said on Twitter that the reboot has an extended version of the theme song. Did anyone of you know about that.
Here is the link to the tweet: https://mobile.twitter.com/rouleau1/status/998268739987656704
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He's probably talking about this (couldn't find in better quality, god the nostalgia tho)
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Also looks like Michael Morningstar is voiced by Yuri Lowenthal now at first he was voiced by Drake Bell.
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@james And Charmcaster is voiced by Tara Strong, and her real name is now Heather
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I found Charmcaster's debut episode in english on Youtube, if anyone is interested.
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIORt1cvhM4
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8__C045ma1s -
@csgt I recently saw it. I thought that the writing was poor and the episode made Charmcaster look weak at the end. Plus, this episode is pretty much a copy of Couples Retreat from Ultimate Alien. There were so many elements that made both of these episodes really similar to each other. With the way that The Charm Offensive was made, it makes the plot look lazy and uncreative. Heck, even Charmcaster's new name, Heather, came from that very episode. In Couples Retreat, "Heather" is the name that Michael Morningstar incorrectly guessed when Charmcaster asked him what her real name was.
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@Tactical-Ochoa Yes, this episode was definitely MOA's own take on Couples Retreat.
There were many similarities, but I will talk about a few diffences that in my opinion actually made The Charm Offensive more enjoyable than Couples Retreat.
At least here it makes sense for Charmcaster to be manipulated by Morningstar, because it was her very first appearance and she was younger and still naive, unlike in UA where Charmcaster supposedly had years of experience and being played by Morningstar was a big character regression and made her look pathetic.
Now, let's analyse the developments we get from this episode. By the end of the episode Ben corrects Grandpa Max when he implies that Gwen is a helper/sidekick and Ben says that Gwen is a full-fledged hero. While in Couples Retreat, Kevin messed up, didn't trust Gwen to keep a spellbook safe, moved it from her house to his garage, which actually made it easier for Morningstar to steal it and then in the end of the episode... Gwen forgives him and concludes he's a good boyfriend just because he's not as bad as Morningstar. Gwevin crappiness at its prime. So when it comes to character development, I much prefer the character developments between Ben and Gwen in "The Charm Offensive" over the character "developments" (if we can call it developments) between Kevin and Gwen in "Couples Retreat".
About Charmcaster looking weak, well, in the end, even after she had been drained, she managed to overpower Morningstar, trapped him in her book and Ben and Gwen looked terrified of her, so I think she actually looked quite strong.
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@csgt Except in UA, it was the very first time that Charmcaster ever met Morningstar so no, it wasn't a regression in her character. It didn't make her look pathetic. It made sense that Charmcaster would be naive towards Morningstar in UA because he was completely new in her life.
As for the development of Ben and Gwen in the episode, it's pretty much similar, if not the same, as the Original Series episode, Lucky Girl. It's really just more copy and paste here.
Sure, Charmcaster did overpower Morningstar. Then again, it's not really that hard to do so anyways. Morningstar gains energy from people adoring him, which is why it's so easy for Gwen to resist him. She knows that Michael Morningstar is a terrible person. I explained this before in a reboot season 1 episode review. In actuality, Charmcaster overpowering Morningstar is not a notable feat to accomplish because of this very blatant weakness. I view Charmcaster as a weak character mostly because of her response to Gwen saving her. Very little to no appreciation for what Gwen did for her. Not even a simple "Thank you." Charmcaster just idiotically declares that she doesn't need anyone and that she still considers Gwen to be her enemy, threatening her before leaving. That's why I find Charmcaster to be a weak character in this episode.
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@tactical-ochoa So your actually saying that something was better in UA? Congratulations. Maybe its a little hope for you to see the light anyway.
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@mortie-10 What? Nothing in my previous comment stated nor implied that UA did it better. None of my previous comments on this page stated that. Maybe Couples Retreat is a better episode than The Charm Offensive. I don't know. Even if I do find that UA episode to be better than the reboot episode, you are a fool to think that making one correction to one of @csgt's points in regards to one character in one freakin filler episode that's so irrelevant to the main story of the show is going to be some stepping stone that's going to lead to me to start liking a show that's filled with so many issues that makes it such a terrible quality show.
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Uh, guys, I think you should check this out http://mellenabrave.tumblr.com/post/174385584270/so-because-of-a-discussion-i-had-just-now-i-looked
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@ungrateful-wolf So by the looks of this: Hero Generation was never Man of Actions idea, or did I misunderstand this?
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Apparently, Hero Generations was never even a thing. Maybe it was Alien Force's working title, but Toonzone gave that title way back in 2007.
The CN Upfront about it?
"another series in which Ben recruits other children to help him." Toonzone apparently misinterpreted it as Ben recruiting children to teach them to be heroes instead of what would be the Amalgam Kids and gave the audience expectations that were largely different from what Alien Force ended up being.
I don't even think MoA planned for a sequel considering they weren't involved in any of them. The "Hero Generations" thing was from Toonzone, but neither MoA nor CN ever talked about it or called it like that. We just had different expectations of what Alien Force was going to be -
@ungrateful-wolf This does sound a lot like speculation though. This Tumblr user doesn't really provide sufficient evidence to back her claim up. No articles, no interviews, etc. Just speculation. Yes, she does say that there's no other records on the internet but still. The best way to confirm whether she's right or not is to ask Man of Action themselves. In fact, I remember when Joe Kelly had an AMA on Reddit a couple of years ago, I asked him what Ben 10: Hero Generation would've been like and he said that he had to go back to his office to find it and dig it back out so that he could answer that. Of course, he never jumped back on to answer my question but if we were to take his word for granted here, Man of Action does have Ben 10: Hero Generation in their records. There was also that time when Duncan Rouleau stated on Tumblr that Man of Action did plan on making Kevin and Charmcaster anti-heroes, which they could only really do...through a sequel.
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@ungrateful-wolf Or I guess this Tumblr user is actually right.
https://twitter.com/Gabrielzm122/status/1002228303757914113Even though I stated that the best way to confirm whether this Tumblr user is right or not is to ask Man of Action themselves, at the same time, I find it weird that after over a decade of knowing that Ben 10: Hero Generation was Man of Action's sequel to the Original Series, this revelation comes out now? I'm still skeptical about what Man of Action said to that one Ben 10 Club user a while back during SDCC over how Ben and Gwen were actually originally supposed to be siblings instead of friends even though there are plenty of factors that contradicts that.
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@tactical-ochoa Hah! So your stupid Hero Generation thing was never a thing anyway. Im so happy.
