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Crazy theory time: What if every Ben 10 series is a different universe?

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  • While I disagree with Kuro that the Bens in the Alien X-tinction special are not the real Ben Prime, one thing got me to wonder: Maybe every Ben from the past shows is from a different universe? Like the original series, it ended with Goodbye and Good Riddance, but that is non canon to Alien Force, because its retconned. But think about it another way: What if Ben from the original series is an alternate Ben from the one in Alien Force. And that Ben from AF is an alternate one of UA, OV and Reboot aswell, and that they are all alternate to each other.

    This really got me thinking, and all the stupid retcons over the years supports the theory too. Like Kevin was an Osmosian in UA, so was Aggregor, but in OV... they are still Osmosians, but not aliens. And Osmos V doesnt even exist. But thats because they are all from different dimensions!

    It is so obvious now that I think of it. This really helped for the pressure I have had for the last few years, and also reduced my hate for OV, because: Its not canon to UA. Omniverse takes place in another universe. Which means everyone in the UA universe is still the same. Ben is still with Julie, Gwen and Kevin are still part of the team, and none of them look weird or ugly. Because its an alternate timeline.

    What do you guys think of this theory?

  • While I disagree with Kuro that the Bens in the Alien X-tinction special are not the real Ben Prime, one thing got me to wonder: Maybe every Ben from the past shows is from a different universe? Like the original series, it ended with Goodbye and Good Riddance, but that is non canon to Alien Force, because its retconned. But think about it another way: What if Ben from the original series is an alternate Ben from the one in Alien Force. And that Ben from AF is an alternate one of UA, OV and Reboot aswell, and that they are all alternate to each other.

    This really got me thinking, and all the stupid retcons over the years supports the theory too. Like Kevin was an Osmosian in UA, so was Aggregor, but in OV... they are still Osmosians, but not aliens. And Osmos V doesnt even exist. But thats because they are all from different dimensions!

    It is so obvious now that I think of it. This really helped for the pressure I have had for the last few years, and also reduced my hate for OV, because: Its not canon to UA. Omniverse takes place in another universe. Which means everyone in the UA universe is still the same. Ben is still with Julie, Gwen and Kevin are still part of the team, and none of them look weird or ugly. Because its an alternate timeline.

    What do you guys think of this theory?

    @Mortie-10 This is pretty much a theory that was expressed by one of the users here, csgt, expressed in his Discord server. And yeah, I honestly agree with that theory. The original continuity is such a mess and I think this theory would at least help to lighten the load on that very mess.

  • @Mortie-10 This is pretty much a theory that was expressed by one of the users here, csgt, expressed in his Discord server. And yeah, I honestly agree with that theory. The original continuity is such a mess and I think this theory would at least help to lighten the load on that very mess.

    @Tactical-Ochoa @Mortie10 I was thinking about making a post just like this one. With the amount of retcons that the series has gone through as detailed by Mortie, I think that it makes perfect sense that all 3 eras are set in different universes.

    UAF turned the Plumbers from a slightly xenophobic Earth-exclusive organisation into an intergalactic peacekeeping force. They also retconned Gwen's powers into being half Anodite which clashed with the Gwendolyn Tennyson that we saw from the future in OS who was clearly using magic, while in UAF she was basically Pink Lantern. . I imagine that in the UAF universe, Kevin was more of a common crook who did bad things without realising the consequences rather than being a psychopath who is obsessed with making Ben suffer - it makes his redemption make far more sense anyway. .Kevin's powers are also different in the UAF universe , as is the Omnitrix's functionality (for example one of the most interesting things about the OS is how the Omnitrix was part of Ben and required really complicated means to remove, while in UAF he could just slip it off. There were other things that were changed which I won't go into now.

    Omniverse retconned Kevin's already convoluted past yet again as well as that of the Plumber's kids in the Rooters Arc.. Gwen got nerfed in terms of power and now uses actual magic again, Ben's immature personality makes no sense after all that he went through, and so on. There were a lot of things that were changed to try and match the OS but they were all kinda confusing and just as bad as the UAF retcons in terms of continuity.

    At the end of this, my opinion is that each era of the show was each writer's take on the concept of Ben 10. You could see the aspects of McDuffie's writing from his other shows like Young Justice for example. The OV team too had their own inspirations I'm sure, but I think that someone should've come out with a statement that each series is a slightly different universe in itself. I've subscribed to this this theory ever since I rewatched the series and it makes the later shows a lot more enjoyable knowing that they are different continuities.

  • It's a fun way to think about this what if every Ben 10 show was it's own standalone universe. It would seem odd to have alien force and ultimate alien as standalone universes.

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    @cooljay7 I think what's likely here is that production got delayed. Things don't always go according to plan so those very plans would have to get pushed back due to a hiccup. At least that's my assumption. I do think Cartoon Network should at least try to keep people in the loop on what's going on though.
  • Ben 10 by different comic artist

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    @KorseBLI-ND Love to see some Kouta Hirano Ben 10 art, he has a cool style. Also love to see Yusuke Murata ( One Punch Man and Eyeshield 21) do Ben 10 as well.
  • Will the Reboot be the last Ben 10 series?

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    with me the reason I did not like alien force and ultimate alien was it seem like they did not watch the original series plus the gwevin pairing plus have kevin as a good guy
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    yeah tactical I will be awesome to watch it again on live tv instead of watching the dvds like I have been doing and that car also has been doing
  • The Ben 10 Series

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    @chronosapien234 Yes, true. The Circus Freaks were important with his plan. However, that's just because they're villainous henchmen characters. Even without Zombozo, the Circus Freaks still end up temporarily as the henchmen to another villain. You know, Ghostfreak. Pretty much almost every time we've seen the Circus Freaks, they are serving somebody. Mostly Zombozo. They're just villainous henchmen characters. They helped but they're not really all that important. In fact, I believe that there pretty much wouldn't be a difference at all if they aren't around. Why? Because, again, they're henchmen. They're also basic thugs, too. The Circus Freaks are not that important. Also, this is about Zombozo as a character and villain. What makes Zombozo who he is. Why he is like that. How he executes his plans. What makes Zombozo as Zombozo and he doesn't need the Circus Freaks for that. That is another out of the many problems with Omniverse and even the other sequels. The Original Series was able to do things that not many cartoon shows ever did. The Original Series did something new. The sequels were generic and typical cartoon shows. They barely did anything new if nothing new at all. That episode in Omniverse with Zombozo turning everyone in Bellwood into zombie clowns. If it was a nod to the Original Series, it failed at trying to delivery and do something unique and impressive. No instead, it ended up being another terrible episode due to Ben regaining his fear of clowns and one major plot hole that really ruined that episode, let alone the sheer cartoonish stupidity of it. Does nobody remember that Zombozo and the Circus Freaks are villains? Does nobody remember what they've done in the past? Oh, Ben regained his fear of clowns, huh? Thanks for making Ben conquering his fears in the Original Series pointless now, Cartoon Network. As for the plot hole, ask yourself this question? Those toy teeth that turn people into zombie clowns. Yeah, how is it that those teeth can bite through Plumber armor and hazmat suits let alone BASIC CLOTHING? They're plastic toy teeth. Is Plumber armor really that terrible and not that protective? I thought Stormtrooper armor was bad enough. Plumber armor is even worse. That one plot hole alone makes that entire episode freakin stupid and terrible. It shows how poor and lazy the writing, structuring, and designing of the sequels are. I know it's a cartoon show but again, it needs to make sense and needs to be understandable enough to work.