I came across this bit of info recently and it's interesting that this was a thing. Staff members that worked on UAF being so dead set on the Ben/Julie relationship that they resort to this. Unsurprisingly, that little stunt didn't work, because of course it wouldn't. Of course, Cartoon Network wouldn't care.
Derrick J. Wyatt was right though. I get that Omniverse breaking up Ben and Julie was done poorly, but it really was for the best. The set up for their relationship was rushed and Ben and Julie's relationship really did have little to no chemistry. Julie was not interesting and engaging and Ben was a jerk and an idiot to her. It felt like an unnecessary relationship done just for the sake of having Ben be in a relationship. Julie's purpose was to be a satellite love interest to Ben and it's the UAF crew's fault for not making that relationship good and well-executed.
If people like the Ben/Julie relationship, more power to them. It still baffles me though that people willingly support it and were so up in arms over their break up. Ben and Julie breaking up really was for the better and if anything, it would've been better if Ben wasn't in a relationship in UAF to begin with.
Granted, it's not like Ben and Kai's relationship was any better though. That relationship had its own set of caveats that made it terrible as well. I certainly think that Derrick J. Wyatt and the Omniverse crew were in the wrong for pairing Kai up with Ben, handling their relationship quite poorly.
I already mentioned these videos before, but I again recommend checking out these videos by Sarcastic Chorus. They do an excellent, if not perfect, job of going in greater depth on why Ben's relationships with Julie and Kai didn't work.
You just love an episode or you're confused with something? Share.
There are two things that I'm going to address here with this season finale in Ultimate Alien. One, Ben's decision to kill Kevin and two, what I think is a missed opportunity with Ultimate Kevin. Now it has been a while since I've seen Ultimate Alien so if I get anything wrong, feel free to correct me on it.
In regards to Ben wanting to kill Kevin, I recall seeing many in discussions argue that it was an out of character moment. That it wasn't something that Ben would've actually done. I don't think that is what makes his decision to kill Kevin the problem here. I think it's more on the matter that it wasn't handled well. Maybe even came out of nowhere and had little to no build up or something.
The idea of Ben being pushed to kill someone is actually a solid direction to take the character in and this isn't the first time this actually happened in the franchise either. The Ben 10,000 episode in the Original Series established that there would be a point where Ben would kill Vilgax and do so in a rather brutal and gory fashion. In fact, the Little Moments fan fiction series very much indeed has Ben kill Vilgax in the very fashion that the Ben 10,000 episode implied and I say that it was handled quite well. This is an event that would impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. Heck, the Ken 10 episode showed Ben nearly beating Kevin 11,000 to death because Kevin harmed Ben's son, Ken. It wouldn't be out of character for Ben to be pushed into killing someone, but instead, is an important character moment for him. I just don't think that the Absolute Power season finale in Ultimate Alien handled that well.
There is one thing that I do think was certainly out of character for Ben to do and that is attack Gwen. Given everything that those two have been through together, how much their relationship has improved, and how much they care for each other, I don't see Ben EVER doing that. I had that same issue with the 3D CGI Ben 10 short that was meant to promote Destroy All Aliens as well. No matter how much they fought and argued with each other, I don't see them going so far as to use the Omnitrix and magic to literally fight each other. That was one of the dumbest and nonsensical moments in Ben 10 and their fight scene with each other in Absolute Power was also dumb and nonsensical.
Then there's Ultimate Kevin. I've stated plenty of times before on how I prefer for Kevin to be a villain instead of a hero and explained my reasonings as to why. I think it just seems more fitting for Kevin to be a villain and to fulfill the role of being Ben's evil reflection. I think Ultimate Kevin is a missed opportunity to put Kevin back into that very role. Not just that, but also act as a good and fitting moment that would significantly impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000.
I stated this in a Ben 10 Discord server that I'm in so I'm going to share it here as well. I think how I would've handled the Absolute Power finale is not have Ben decide right away that Kevin needed to be killed. Instead, have Ben contemplate how he should handle Kevin. To make a tough decision of whether if there still is a way to help Kevin or if Ben really is forced to have to kill him in order to stop him, an option that Ben doesn't want to pursue. After all, Ben is a hero. He wants to help people. Ben and Gwen work together to hatch up a plan to help Kevin. They don't fight each other. They work together.
I think almost everything else from that finale can pretty much stay. Darkstar and Cooper are recruited and preparations are being made. Kevin absorbs some of Gwen's mana, thus painting a target on her, which makes Ben concerned. Kevin just hurt Gwen and the plan relies on Gwen intentionally putting herself in danger and being bait. Maybe the plan is starting to get too risky now, thus Ben contemplates his options of killing or saving Kevin again for the reason of wanting to protect Gwen. Ben cares about Gwen and doesn't want for Gwen to get hurt or worse.
The plan is enacted and then things go wrong. The plan falls apart (maybe at least some of the energy and DNA that Kevin absorbed is taken out of him to be given back to his victims). Maybe Darkstar betrays the group and sabotages the machine that was supposed to turn Kevin back to normal. Maybe Kevin has too much energy and DNA in him and it causes the machine to overload and malfunction. Either way, Kevin doesn't return back to normal. Kevin is still in his mutated and insane state and he goes after Gwen. Gwen's life is in danger, pushing Ben to his limit and he nearly kills Kevin to protect her. The plan is a failure and it seems that there's pretty much nothing that can be done now to help Kevin. Kevin is too far gone and all that can be done at this point is to toss him into the Null Void. Ben and Gwen are deeply impacted by this event, thus contributing to Ben's transition into Ben 10,000.
I think this is pretty much how I would've handled Absolute Power differently here. I think this would make Ben's decision to kill Kevin seem more fitting and better handled, Kevin would be a villain again, and this would be a character defining moment that would impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. If anyone has any thoughts of their own on this topic, feel free to leave a comment.
For those wondering why I want to know this stuff, it's because of this suggestion I made about listing TV Networks that aired a Ben 10 show around the world for the Ben 10 wiki. Today a wiki admin has just highlighted the blog post and it will be up for voting for 7 days.
If you have held a fandom.com account for 7 days, made 15 big wiki edits, and made 5 small wiki edits within the last two months for the Ben 10 Wiki. Then hop over to that link above and vote to support this proposal of mine. Let's get this done.
@npzman Did I say that I wasn't into them? I don't recall that. Also, I'm pretty sure that Insomniac's Spider-Man games aren't platformers. They're open world action games.
Unless it shows up on PC, I won't be playing it for a while. I haven't owned a Playstation console since the Playstation 1 and I won't be getting a new console for quite a while. I'm pretty well settled with my gaming PC at the moment.
I also don't recall saying that I'm always into more mature and darker games.
If Ben 10 gets an HBO Max show in the future, I hope we can have a scene with a completely naked Gwen for once. I mean, the girl (I dont remember her name) in Close Enough was naked in one of the season 2 episodes, and only her hands was censoring her. And that was on HBO Max. Really hope that we get to see Gwen in a similar situation.
When it's out I will watch it. If it ends up good then great I guess. It really gonna be my first time watching the reboot outside the first few episodes. If the execution of the original characters turns out to be terrible, well honestly I couldn't expect less from them.
@Tactical-Ochoa I read the series about a year ago and I must say that it is incredibly well written especially considering that it is a fanfiction. While I’m personally not a Bwen shipper (I always saw their relationship akin to a bond between close siblings) the entire Little Moments universe is incredibly well written and there are little things in it which just contribute so much to the narrative (eg. Ben’s relationship with his parents, something I really thought should’ve been explored in Alien Force).
I’ve been thinking for a while about starting on a fan comic exploring an alternate timeline of the events of Alien Force. The Highbreed arc would still happen similarly and Ben would have to don the Omnitrix for the first time in years. There would be a few differences though - the first of which being that I’d try and explore the possibilities of Charmcaster being the one to (at first grudgingly) have to work with Ben and Gwen but eventually softening and becoming a better person over time despite being haunted by her past. I always thought that it would be an interesting idea to have Kevin as a vigilante or even a villain - I’ve been reading some Batman comics recently and I really think that Ben and Kevin could have an interesting Batman-Joker dynamic between them. One of the key themes of Alien Force was meant to be Ben becoming leader but he didn’t really have a proper team to lead for the majority of the time, so I thought that involving Cooper and Alan in the story could work well - with the other Plumber’s kids being introduced later down the line.
I’m not a super talented artist (though I can draw decently and have done a few concept sketches ) and while I have written decent short stories for fun before this would be way tougher. Everything is just ideas and brainstorms right now given that I don’t have too much time on my hands at the moment.. Just thought that I’d share the idea.
I think I remember you talking about the DNA Aliens before but I'm not sure if my memory serves well. There has been lots of writers that hasn't really paid attention to the overall story of the season and what would happen before and later in the story arc. They most certainly didn't taken a look at the original series because if they have then I think Alien Force and onwards would been a very different show. None the less UAF still do hold a higher spot for me then the original series in my opinion.
Yeah on top of all the people Micheal knowingly murdered then got sent to the null void with the plumber re-awarding Kevin and Gwen their plumbers badge back. Except Ben didn't got his badge back meaning he was able to stop the rooters a year later as a result. So at least that paid off. However around 2 months later Gwen made Cooper free Darkstar/Micheal out of the null void to seek his aid on stopping the highbreed invasion in return he'd be free. He ratted out and Kevin , Gwen and Ben. Just let it drift aside after all the humans he MURDERED and they didn't took it seriously. Micheal would later be formally arrested again when rook stop micheal from evading custody at Friedkin University. This can't go unnoticed they let Darkstar continue his activities.
Also Remember in Ulimate Alien how Gwen wanted to save Kevin when he went insane after absorbing all that power from the omnitrix while begging Ben not to kill Kevin. Because Ben wanted to save many other lives that are under threat by "Ultimate Kevin". Irony here.