I came across this bit of info recently and it's interesting that this was a thing. Staff members that worked on UAF being so dead set on the Ben/Julie relationship that they resort to this. Unsurprisingly, that little stunt didn't work, because of course it wouldn't. Of course, Cartoon Network wouldn't care.
Derrick J. Wyatt was right though. I get that Omniverse breaking up Ben and Julie was done poorly, but it really was for the best. The set up for their relationship was rushed and Ben and Julie's relationship really did have little to no chemistry. Julie was not interesting and engaging and Ben was a jerk and an idiot to her. It felt like an unnecessary relationship done just for the sake of having Ben be in a relationship. Julie's purpose was to be a satellite love interest to Ben and it's the UAF crew's fault for not making that relationship good and well-executed.
If people like the Ben/Julie relationship, more power to them. It still baffles me though that people willingly support it and were so up in arms over their break up. Ben and Julie breaking up really was for the better and if anything, it would've been better if Ben wasn't in a relationship in UAF to begin with.
Granted, it's not like Ben and Kai's relationship was any better though. That relationship had its own set of caveats that made it terrible as well. I certainly think that Derrick J. Wyatt and the Omniverse crew were in the wrong for pairing Kai up with Ben, handling their relationship quite poorly.
I already mentioned these videos before, but I again recommend checking out these videos by Sarcastic Chorus. They do an excellent, if not perfect, job of going in greater depth on why Ben's relationships with Julie and Kai didn't work.
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There are two things that I'm going to address here with this season finale in Ultimate Alien. One, Ben's decision to kill Kevin and two, what I think is a missed opportunity with Ultimate Kevin. Now it has been a while since I've seen Ultimate Alien so if I get anything wrong, feel free to correct me on it.
In regards to Ben wanting to kill Kevin, I recall seeing many in discussions argue that it was an out of character moment. That it wasn't something that Ben would've actually done. I don't think that is what makes his decision to kill Kevin the problem here. I think it's more on the matter that it wasn't handled well. Maybe even came out of nowhere and had little to no build up or something.
The idea of Ben being pushed to kill someone is actually a solid direction to take the character in and this isn't the first time this actually happened in the franchise either. The Ben 10,000 episode in the Original Series established that there would be a point where Ben would kill Vilgax and do so in a rather brutal and gory fashion. In fact, the Little Moments fan fiction series very much indeed has Ben kill Vilgax in the very fashion that the Ben 10,000 episode implied and I say that it was handled quite well. This is an event that would impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. Heck, the Ken 10 episode showed Ben nearly beating Kevin 11,000 to death because Kevin harmed Ben's son, Ken. It wouldn't be out of character for Ben to be pushed into killing someone, but instead, is an important character moment for him. I just don't think that the Absolute Power season finale in Ultimate Alien handled that well.
There is one thing that I do think was certainly out of character for Ben to do and that is attack Gwen. Given everything that those two have been through together, how much their relationship has improved, and how much they care for each other, I don't see Ben EVER doing that. I had that same issue with the 3D CGI Ben 10 short that was meant to promote Destroy All Aliens as well. No matter how much they fought and argued with each other, I don't see them going so far as to use the Omnitrix and magic to literally fight each other. That was one of the dumbest and nonsensical moments in Ben 10 and their fight scene with each other in Absolute Power was also dumb and nonsensical.
Then there's Ultimate Kevin. I've stated plenty of times before on how I prefer for Kevin to be a villain instead of a hero and explained my reasonings as to why. I think it just seems more fitting for Kevin to be a villain and to fulfill the role of being Ben's evil reflection. I think Ultimate Kevin is a missed opportunity to put Kevin back into that very role. Not just that, but also act as a good and fitting moment that would significantly impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000.
I stated this in a Ben 10 Discord server that I'm in so I'm going to share it here as well. I think how I would've handled the Absolute Power finale is not have Ben decide right away that Kevin needed to be killed. Instead, have Ben contemplate how he should handle Kevin. To make a tough decision of whether if there still is a way to help Kevin or if Ben really is forced to have to kill him in order to stop him, an option that Ben doesn't want to pursue. After all, Ben is a hero. He wants to help people. Ben and Gwen work together to hatch up a plan to help Kevin. They don't fight each other. They work together.
I think almost everything else from that finale can pretty much stay. Darkstar and Cooper are recruited and preparations are being made. Kevin absorbs some of Gwen's mana, thus painting a target on her, which makes Ben concerned. Kevin just hurt Gwen and the plan relies on Gwen intentionally putting herself in danger and being bait. Maybe the plan is starting to get too risky now, thus Ben contemplates his options of killing or saving Kevin again for the reason of wanting to protect Gwen. Ben cares about Gwen and doesn't want for Gwen to get hurt or worse.
The plan is enacted and then things go wrong. The plan falls apart (maybe at least some of the energy and DNA that Kevin absorbed is taken out of him to be given back to his victims). Maybe Darkstar betrays the group and sabotages the machine that was supposed to turn Kevin back to normal. Maybe Kevin has too much energy and DNA in him and it causes the machine to overload and malfunction. Either way, Kevin doesn't return back to normal. Kevin is still in his mutated and insane state and he goes after Gwen. Gwen's life is in danger, pushing Ben to his limit and he nearly kills Kevin to protect her. The plan is a failure and it seems that there's pretty much nothing that can be done now to help Kevin. Kevin is too far gone and all that can be done at this point is to toss him into the Null Void. Ben and Gwen are deeply impacted by this event, thus contributing to Ben's transition into Ben 10,000.
I think this is pretty much how I would've handled Absolute Power differently here. I think this would make Ben's decision to kill Kevin seem more fitting and better handled, Kevin would be a villain again, and this would be a character defining moment that would impact Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. If anyone has any thoughts of their own on this topic, feel free to leave a comment.
@npzman What you're saying in the case with Alien Force and Ultimate Alien sounds like a case of bad writing; especially in regards to Jimmy Jones. I am not a fan of how Ben's identity was publicly revealed by Jimmy. I thought that was a really dumb thing that Ultimate Alien did.
In the case with the Original Series, Ben's enemies don't know about his other family members. Who they are? What do they look like? Where they're at? Etc. Knowing Ben's identity wouldn't put his other family members in danger. Even then, the Tennyson family would certainly be an "off limits" thing here. We've seen what Ben (and Gwen) would do to anyone that dares to go after his family.
Also, I'm pretty sure that revealing Ben's identity to the public wouldn't really get in the way of him being a hero. He would still go out of his way to stop the bad guys and be a hero. Whatever obstacles do get in his way, Ben would just find a way around them...or not even care about them. Ultimate Alien, Omniverse, and the Ben 10,000 future showcased this. Revealing Ben's identity publicly did little to nothing to benefit the villains.
Along with protecting his family, another reason why Ben's hero identity was kept a secret for a while was so his family didn't know what Ben (and Gwen) were doing. The idea of two 10-year-olds using magic and the Omnitrix to be heroes, thus putting their lives in constant danger, wouldn't really sit well with Ben and Gwen's parents.
@mortie-10 It's been a while since I've seen Omniverse, but from what I recall, Rook did contribute significantly in a lot of the stuff that went on in the show. He's not a bad character and a lot of the stuff that you say about him is flat out wrong. Like what do you mean by he's completely fine with the retcons and some of the retcons wouldn't be there if he didn't talk about them. The show's retcons are not on Rook. That's on the crew that made Omniverse. Also, secretly evil and working for the Rooters? Seriously? Come on, man. That's freakin ridiculous and makes it seem like you're blindly disliking Omniverse. I don't consider Omniverse to be a good show, but I wouldn't go that far with Rook.
There is one thing that I do agree on the most, and that's Rook replacing Gwen and Kevin. Mainly Gwen though. Ben and Gwen work very well together. They have pretty much the best and most dynamic relationship in Ben 10. They fit each other like a glove so much that Gwen just doesn't seem like the type of character that should be replaced as Ben's partner. Rook doesn't feel like a proper replacement either. He seems better off as a side character than a main character. I don't mind Rook being introduced into the Ben 10 franchise, but he most definitely shouldn't have replaced Gwen and shouldn't have been a main character.
I like Omniverse’s artstyle in general and the background art in particular is superb although I prefer the Classic’s artstyle. But yeah the aliens can sometimes look ridiculous and not in a good way. As a young kid I remember seeing Big Chill for the first time in Omniverse and being horrified at what they’d done to his appearance, especially since that he was aesthetically the best looking alien from UAF imo and then they turned him into a bodybuilder. The stylisation works on some designs admittedly well though.
@KineceleranGirl I love all of Perkins’ aliens as well but a few of them are probably too freaky even for Ben 10.
Wyatt isn’t exactly that reliable when it comes to lore and often contradicts himself. So yes, I would not believe everything that he says. I appreciate him for being one of the only people still willing to answer questions about the franchise but he can come off as a jerk sometimes.
As for the topic...ngl I would absolutely love a new sequel to the original series to do it the justice it deserves in terms of continuity and tone. I wouldn’t mind an Omniverse sequel or Ken 10 so long as they are engaging shows, and an Omniverse sequel to give some kind of conclusion to the original timeline would be the most logical option I suppose
@npzman I do remember Charmcaster mentioning that Ben had a magical aura of sorts as well, meaning that he could be a sorcerer with enough practice in theory, but something tells me that he’d get way too impatient to bother with the slow learning curve of magic lol.