Of course, as the title itself says, I'm interested in discussing my direction on how I would've designed Ben 10,000's appearance. Ben 10,000 and Ben's transition into such a status is one of the biggest potential direction that the franchise should've gone but was never fulfilled...or at least not yet. However, the design of his appearance is something that I'm not a fan of and, from what I recall, haven't been much of a fan of ever since his very first appearance in the Original Series. Having thought about it for a while, here's why. I don't find Ben 10,000's official design to his appearance to be fitting for Ben as a character. First off, I say that they went overboard with his physique. Ben 10,000 looks like a wannabe Arnold Schwarzenegger or at the very least Chris Redfield from when he was punching a boulder in Resident Evil 5. This is even more prevalent in his second appearance in the episode, Ken 10. I don't think it helps much either that, at least to me, he looks a little disproportionate, which could be due to the Original Series art style but it still looks a little off to me. I understand if this was to make Ben 10,000 look more heroic but I can't imagine Ben working out at a gym to get that much muscle on him. To me, it just doesn't fit his character. Sure, it does make sense for Ben to be physically fit though. After all, he is a hero that constantly puts himself in danger for the greater good and therefore is quite often physically active. I just think that they went too much on his physique there. There's also Ben's facial design as well. He...kiiinda...doesn't look like Ben. Just stick with me on that. I'll explain why in a bit. Finally, the Omnitrix. Much like with Ben 10,000's physique, I find that they went overboard with the Omnitrix's design as well and made it too big and bulky. Granted though, obviously, Ben doesn't really have to worry about how big and bulky the Omnitrix is when he's in alien form. I also understand that Ben or Azmuth or whoever could've modified and upgraded the Omnitrix, thus changing its appearance some and that can make sense here. I still find the Omnitrix to be a little too bulky though. I mean like christ, it takes up half of his Arnold Schwarzenegger-esque arm. I don't think it has to be that freakin big. These are the issues that I have with Ben 10,000's official appearance in the franchise and overall, I find that it doesn't really fit Ben as a character and I find that it doesn't allow him to be expressive enough with his thoughts, emotions, reactions, etc.
With that in mind, if I were to design Ben 10,000/Ben as an adult, what direction would I take? First, in regards to his physique, like I said, it makes sense for Ben 10,000 to be physically fit. Therefore, I say that it would be better to just tone down all that muscle that he has and make his body more properly proportionate. I think the best example of what Ben's physique should be like is that of Peter Parker's physique from Insomniac's Spider-Man game. To me, it's just the right and ideal level for how physically fit Ben 10,000 should be. He doesn't look to weak to not make sense given his status as a hero and he doesn't too ridiculous and body builder-esque. It's just the right level.
Next is the Omnitrix. I would rather prefer keeping with the original look of the Omnitrix. There are certain things out there that don't really need to be changed much and I say the original Omnitrix is one of those things. It still looks unique and overall great to this day. Granted, I wouldn't mind if the Omnitrix appearance is changed a little just as long as it makes sense and works for the Omnitrix and the show itself. For example, CarthArts' version of teen Ben (which I will leave a link to below this paragraph) properly replicates the look of Ben 10,000's Omnitrix without making it too big and bulky. It's proportionally acceptable. Again though, it has to make sense. None of that nonsensical junk that Alien Force did where the Omnitrix's appearance just magically changes in a way that makes no sense to its intended design and purpose. Leave stuff like that out. At most, I can at least buy that Ben or Azmuth or whoever made upgrades and improvements to the Omnitrix but no further than that. Some people think it's due to Ben growing older and therefore that's why the Omnitrix changed its appearance but like with Alien Force, I find that it doesn't make enough sense to fit its intended design and purpose. I don't buy Azmuth adding such a characteristic to the Omnitrix (and, arguably, he likely wouldn't modify it post-completion either). Either way, I still prefer keeping the original look of the Omnitrix. As the saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Finally, there's Ben's facial design and overall appearance. I always found it more fitting for Ben as an adult to look more like, well, his younger self. After all, that's pretty much how it's actually supposed to work when people grow up and age. They still look like their younger selves but older. That's the mindset that I rather prefer to take for establishing how Ben 10,000 should really look like. Keep the same hair-style and the same facial features and whatnot and just make him look older. That's what I meant when I said earlier how Ben 10,000's official appearance doesn't really look like Ben. It feels like it doesn't really follow that mindset and therefore, I find that it doesn't really fit Ben as a character. So far, this is pretty much the best example of what I could find that I think best illustrates my point of how Ben should look like as an adult. Probably not my most ideal pick but I think it works just well enough to help back up my point here.
CarthArts' version of teen Ben is also a good example to use as well. There's also a-l-m's version of teen Ben too. Despite this artist using her own art style, the mindset that she went with drawing her version of teen Ben makes this a good enough example to use here.
All three of these artist's versions of Ben do a really good job of, well, properly resembling how Ben should look like as he grows older. They look more natural and fitting for Ben as a character and I say that the same can apply if Ben 10,000 was designed with that very mindset. Not only would going with that mindset help make Ben 10,000's appearance look more familiar due to having a much better resemblance to his younger self but I say that it can also help reflect Ben as a character much better than his official appearance. To allow for Ben to be more expressive in his thoughts, emotions, reactions, etc. and to make the changes to him as a character as a result of the tragic incident(s) that he went through more prevalent and impacting. Having him look similar to his younger self and therefore more recognizable in his appearance could help to make the changes in Ben's behavior and overall character more significant and have him express happiness, anger, remorse, joy, satisfaction, disappointment, etc. pop out more. At least that's what I think.
So yeah, I think these suggestions that I mentioned here can help to not only improve Ben 10,000's appearance and make him look much better than his official appearance but also improve and benefit Ben 10,000/adult Ben as a character by making his experiences (past, present, and future) and how they affect him as a character play off more on him and look more significant and prevalent compared to his official appearance. That should wrap things up here for now so if anyone has any thoughts and opinions of their own on this, feel free to leave a comment down below.
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@car54 In Goodbye and Good Riddance, after the intro segment when the intro theme is finished, you're treated to a comic book with the narrator basically giving the message that the episode is a what-if scenario.
You being a kid explains alot about your behavior. Bugging everyone on this website about how bad the reboot is isnt going to change anything. Nor will harassing Man of Action and the people who work on the reboot like you seem to be doing. So stop. This is not the way to go about it and your part of the people that are gonna end up getting the franchise killed.
@npzman Good point. You didn't provide your age so I don't know for sure how old you really are. Granted, if you're really a child or a teenager and if one show is ruining your childhood, you're not doing a lot with your life. If you don't like the Ben 10 reboot, shift your interests towards other things that you do and/or will like.
@Ebomnitrix said in If Ben 10 gets into Lego Dimensions...:
I say for a lineup, it should be what Pokemon is doing with those stilt figures, but for Lego Dimensions:
OS Ben 10:
Ben, Gwen, Max, Kevin 11, Dr. Animo, Vilgax, and a Rustbucket playset, with 14 alien figures sold separately. (the OS 10, Cannonbolt, Wildvine, Upchuck and Eye Guy)
AF Ben 10:
Ben, Gwen Kevin, the 10 aliens, DNAliens, Highbreed, Forever Knights with a playset of both Kevin's car and an arena/battlefield, or a Highbreed Weather Tower.
UA Ben 10:
Ben, Gwen, Metal Kevin (with weapons), the 6 Ultimates, 5 Andromedas and Nanomech, and 2 variants of Aggregor, regular and Ultimate. With of course another playset, and maybe use either the Rustbucket III or/and Mark 10.
Ben 10 OV, WAVE 1:
Ben, Rook, Grandpa Max, Blukic, Driba, Magister Patelliday, Solid Plugg, Khyber, Psychobos, Malware, and a few predators perhaps?
The 12 aliens: Diamondhead, Four Arms, Heatblast, Cannonbolt, Spidermonkey, Bloxx, Feedback, Shocksquatch, Gravattack, Crashhopper, Ball Weevil, and Kickin Hawk with the Plumbers Base playset.
Ben 10 OV, WAVE 2: Galactic Monsters:
Now we rekeep Ben and Rook, but we also add in Scout, Rad Dudesman, and Hobble to the set of allies, we have Zs'Skayr, Dr. Viktor, Kuphulu, Lord Transyl and Crujo for villains.
For aliens: Ghostfreak, Blitzwolfer, Snare-Oh, Frankenstrike, Whampire, Gutrot, Swampfire, Toepick, Astrodactyl and Atomix.
With the playsets of both the Lovely Duckling and Zs'Skayr's castle.
Ben 10 Reboot:
Ben, Gwen, Max, with another Rustbucket playset, but also with newer features and a locational variant this time or moving backgrounds. We have Hex, Dr. Animo, a few of his mutants throughout the show, like the Animal Farm figures and the monster from Something I Ate, and then we'd have Steam Smythe, LaGrange (with vehicle), Kraab, Vilgax since they're so highly promoted atm, and the 10 aliens of the series.
That's how I think it should be handled anyway, especially for playsets, popular iconic characters throughout the shows. Especially for things used for promotional use and other stuff. I say if they did stuff like this, it would be a success, there can't be Omnitrix stuff for Lego Dimensions, I mean if so then obviously create an Omnitrix for all 5 series with 10 selecting aliens.
If that were the case
OS: Original 10
AF: the AF 10
UA: Andromedas, Nanomech, Swampfire, Humungousaur, Big Chill and Spidermonkey.
OV: The OV promotional 10, which was the 6 new aliens and the 4 popular aliens.
Reboot: Reboot 10
Anybody else agree with this?
Would be cool but that seems like it would be to much for lego dimensions. I think the more reasonable option would be for them to have a ben 1o set. Probably bellwood and have Ben either 10 or 16 and gwen and max and kevin and a couple aliens.
Your idea seems like it could be more for a ben 10 toys to life game of its own.
Man i would buy the heck out of that if CN did that
@Ebomnitrix Dwayne McDuffie didn't create Ben 10. The Man of Action team did, McDuffie had a very different vision for Ben 10 and retconned a lot of things for AF/UA that Man of Action had previously established in OS. I absolutely love Dwayne's work on Statick Shock and Justice League Unlimited (JLU is my favorite cartoon ever actually), but as other people here have said, I would have preferred a Ben 10 sequel by the hands of the original creators.
My answer to the question: I think there is a reason why the OS is the most popular series, and that reason is because from AF onwards a big part of the audience lost interest (I'm not talking about the hardcore fans here, I'm talking about casual friends that I know that stopped watching Ben 10 after the OS). AF storylines were amazing, but the new aliens were not as interesting as the Original Series' ones (with a few exceptions), there were a lot of retcons, and especially, the writers were in love with Kevin and made him the main star of the show, stealing the spotlight from Ben sometimes, and it didn't work out.
@Rexfan1333 You mentioned the MCU, and I actually had an idea to write a fanfic about Ben 10 in the MCU. The Omnitrix would have one of the infinity stones (just like Loki's Scepter had one) and Gwen would be an Inhuman (if you watch Agents of SHIELD, which is also set in the MCU, you will understand what I'm talking about). I thought about starting from Age of Ultron, replacing Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch with Ben and Gwen. But ultimately I decided to write Watch Boy & Lucky Girl because mixing MCU characters would require more skill and talent than I have at the moment.
But as I said, I'm talking about real possibilities, and unfortunately, I don't think Ben 10 with Marvel is a realistic possibility.
And of course, in my comic book reboot idea Ben and Gwen wouldn't be kids, they would be at least teenagers.
@Tactical-Ochoa said in Justice League and Ben 10 Bringing Action Back to CN?:
@james Of course. Of course they had to made another freakin cheap mobile 3D runner game.
I guess thats all CN is making these days
I prefer Gwen.
In my opinion, Julie suffered a lot from being a satellite love interest, as I said in the Bwen-Gwevin topic, the writers apparently were only worried about Gwevin, and Julie was just there so they could show every once in a while that Ben had a girlfriend too. Maybe if they had paid more attention to her, I could see something more between her and Ben.
I actually thought the redesign looked pretty ok but i agree i dont know why they had to do it especially with it being the literal last episode of the show i don't think anyone would have cared if they left him out or just used the old design. I feel the same way about Rath in secret of dos santos. I didn't see the point in changing his design for only one appearance.
That's cool. Gwen Tennyson stars as "Lucky Girl" that'll be a spin off from Ben 10. How about Max Tennyson starring in own series "Life With Grandpa Max". A new spin off series how Grandpa Max Tennyson does for a living and he travels alone without Ben and Gwen. So what do you think?
@npzman They won't continue the original franchise, they are starting from scratch. Sorry to say, but they will not continue where Omniverse left off. Till then we just have to get use to the reboot or just ignore it untill they do a better reboot.