Who is your favorite Ben 10 Villain, other than Vilgax?
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@Tyranidomega Yeah. I did initially like Khyber as well. You did make some good points about him in Omniverse. Unfortunately, Cartoon Network decides to be Cartoon Network and as Omniverse went on with it's seasons, Khyber became more dumbed down to the point where I could no longer favor and credit him as a villain. A good start for him but eventually Khyber succumbed to Cartoon Network's idiotic mindset of dumbing everything down.
@Tactical-Ochoa Well, to be fair Khyber didn't have that many appearances in the show anyways. After the 2nd season he disappeared until Albedo teamed up with him and then had his final appearance with Skurd where he was finally caught by the Plumbers.
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@Tactical-Ochoa Well, to be fair Khyber didn't have that many appearances in the show anyways. After the 2nd season he disappeared until Albedo teamed up with him and then had his final appearance with Skurd where he was finally caught by the Plumbers.
@Tyranidomega Yeah but still, Khyber did have some potential to at least be close to the level as, heck, maybe Vilgax but that potential just ended up being squandered. Vilgax didn't have that many appearances in the Original Series either and look how great of a villain he turned out to be. Just as you mentioned, Vilgax is just too easy of a choice to be considered a favorite villain among fans because he really is the best villain in the series. Quantity doesn't really factor in at all here. It's more importantly about quality. Therefore, Khyber not appearing as often as you state isn't really a justifiable excuse. Heck, come to think of it, Khyber pretty much was the Omniverse version of Vilgax but again, he had a good start but Khyber was no longer able to deliver (or at least able to deliver as well as he did at the start of his run) in his later appearances.
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@Tyranidomega Yeah but still, Khyber did have some potential to at least be close to the level as, heck, maybe Vilgax but that potential just ended up being squandered. Vilgax didn't have that many appearances in the Original Series either and look how great of a villain he turned out to be. Just as you mentioned, Vilgax is just too easy of a choice to be considered a favorite villain among fans because he really is the best villain in the series. Quantity doesn't really factor in at all here. It's more importantly about quality. Therefore, Khyber not appearing as often as you state isn't really a justifiable excuse. Heck, come to think of it, Khyber pretty much was the Omniverse version of Vilgax but again, he had a good start but Khyber was no longer able to deliver (or at least able to deliver as well as he did at the start of his run) in his later appearances.
@Tactical-Ochoa What about Malware (who I also like). I think Malware was the closest to the next Vilgax.
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@Tactical-Ochoa What about Malware (who I also like). I think Malware was the closest to the next Vilgax.
@Tyranidomega Malware was pretty good. He was one of the very few things about Omniverse and the Ben 10 sequels that I did like and I don't even like the sequels very well. Yeah, I guess I could consider Malware a favorite villain for me. He was pretty much one of the very few best and only good parts about Omniverse. The rest of Omniverse was just absolute garbage.
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@Tyranidomega Malware was pretty good. He was one of the very few things about Omniverse and the Ben 10 sequels that I did like and I don't even like the sequels very well. Yeah, I guess I could consider Malware a favorite villain for me. He was pretty much one of the very few best and only good parts about Omniverse. The rest of Omniverse was just absolute garbage.
@Tactical-Ochoa For me Rook, the villains, and the Nemetrix were the best thing about Omniverse.
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@Tactical-Ochoa For me Rook, the villains, and the Nemetrix were the best thing about Omniverse.
@Tyranidomega Rook was a nice character and the Nemetrix was a nice concept. The only new villains that I did like in Omniverse were just Malware, Khyber, and Maltruant considering that they were the only new villains that could at least somewhat challenge Ben. Other than that, Omniverse was just horrible and there are only some very few things about that show that I did like but it just wasn't enough to save Omniverse. Even Cartoon Network eventually realized that Omniverse was terrible.
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@Tyranidomega Rook was a nice character and the Nemetrix was a nice concept. The only new villains that I did like in Omniverse were just Malware, Khyber, and Maltruant considering that they were the only new villains that could at least somewhat challenge Ben. Other than that, Omniverse was just horrible and there are only some very few things about that show that I did like but it just wasn't enough to save Omniverse. Even Cartoon Network eventually realized that Omniverse was terrible.
@Tactical-Ochoa What's your thoughts on Rook's martial arts teacher Kundo?
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@Tactical-Ochoa What's your thoughts on Rook's martial arts teacher Kundo?
@Tyranidomega Mixed bag. Again, there's not much of Omniverse that I like. I guess Kundo is ok.
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I thought he was an A-hole
@chronosapien234 Rook? If so, explain how and why?
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No, Kundo was the massive jerk. I liked rook
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Albedo was a formidable foe, especialy in omniverse.
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Albedo was a formidable foe, especialy in omniverse.
@chronosapien234 Oh. Ok. You should have pointed out that you were referring to Kundo to avoid confusion.
Eh, even Albedo is becoming less capable of challenging Ben even when he had the Ultimatrix. Albedo may be smarter than Ben but Ben is the better fighter and strategist as well as being much better experienced in using the Omnitrix than Albedo. As I stated before, too, Albedo is just not the true opposite and evil Ben and neither is Eon. It's Kevin and has and always will be Kevin.
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In the Original series, my favorite villain was Ghostfreak. First, he was my favorite of the original 10 aliens, but I always felt that he was different from the others. I was surprised to see I was right.
I think Ghostfreak's a good villain in general and I enjoyed his arc where it revealed that all those monster-aliens were his underlings, but for the most part it's because he was my favorite alien.
Found Khyber's home world and species name- link text
I like this kind of backstory, mostly because it isn't something that's cliche to the type of character Khyber is(like say, he comes from a species/family of hunters). Instead, Khyber's people live on a basically all around crappy planet, with his species(Zaroffians) forced to make a living by mining. Those who escape live on to become some of the most feared individuals in the galaxy. Interestingly, most Zaroffians that get off-world become warlords and criminals, but Khyber decided to pursue hunting.
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In the Original series, my favorite villain was Ghostfreak. First, he was my favorite of the original 10 aliens, but I always felt that he was different from the others. I was surprised to see I was right.
I think Ghostfreak's a good villain in general and I enjoyed his arc where it revealed that all those monster-aliens were his underlings, but for the most part it's because he was my favorite alien.
Found Khyber's home world and species name- link text
I like this kind of backstory, mostly because it isn't something that's cliche to the type of character Khyber is(like say, he comes from a species/family of hunters). Instead, Khyber's people live on a basically all around crappy planet, with his species(Zaroffians) forced to make a living by mining. Those who escape live on to become some of the most feared individuals in the galaxy. Interestingly, most Zaroffians that get off-world become warlords and criminals, but Khyber decided to pursue hunting.
@Tyranidomega Well, the Original Series did hint that revelation with Ghostfreak. As for Khyber, his species does help to add to his character but again it pretty much fell apart for him in later appearances.
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@Tyranidomega Well, the Original Series did hint that revelation with Ghostfreak. As for Khyber, his species does help to add to his character but again it pretty much fell apart for him in later appearances.
@Tactical-Ochoa I can't remember if I ever noticed something was going to happen with Ghostfreak. If I recall there's this little fun fact that Ghostfreak was Ben's least used alien.
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@Tactical-Ochoa I can't remember if I ever noticed something was going to happen with Ghostfreak. If I recall there's this little fun fact that Ghostfreak was Ben's least used alien.
@Tyranidomega Well, there's subtle clues that points to this with Ghostfreak such as Ben having a strange feeling whenever he uses Ghostfreak. It's probably those subtle clues such as that are the very reasons why Ben uses Ghsotfreak less than any of his other aliens.
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I really liked Aggregor and the Highbreed. Aggregor was a pretty serious threat, and instead of having henchmen or minions, he preferred to handle things himself.
I liked how the Highbreed were an entire race instead of one character, which IMO was a cool way to raise the stakes at the start of AF.And if I may on Khyber, I believe what Tyranidomega meant was because of Khyber's limited appearance he did not live up to be a serious threat that Tactical Ochoa thinks he could've been.
Have to ask Tactical, how would you have Khyber grow to become a serious threat? I have some ideas myself, like maybe he resorts to kidnapping one of Ben's family.
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I really liked Aggregor and the Highbreed. Aggregor was a pretty serious threat, and instead of having henchmen or minions, he preferred to handle things himself.
I liked how the Highbreed were an entire race instead of one character, which IMO was a cool way to raise the stakes at the start of AF.And if I may on Khyber, I believe what Tyranidomega meant was because of Khyber's limited appearance he did not live up to be a serious threat that Tactical Ochoa thinks he could've been.
Have to ask Tactical, how would you have Khyber grow to become a serious threat? I have some ideas myself, like maybe he resorts to kidnapping one of Ben's family.
@Rexryder Aggregor is alright.That is a good point about him doing pretty much everything on his own. Although, are the Plumbers really not that aware about Aggregor killing one of their own. It took too long time for the Plumbers to connect the dots with Aggregor in my opinion.
The Highbreed were alright as well. They were good at the start but I think the conflict with them could've ended better though. I don't exactly know how but I didn't really like the later moments with the Highbreed.
As for Khyber, overall, what is important is that he needs to be able to truly challenge Ben. One of the biggest problems in the sequels is that Ben became too powerful. He was receiving too many aliens that were just too much for his villains and enemies to handle. Many of his newer aliens even make Ben's older and original aliens useless as well. Echo Echo, for example, making Ditto and Benwolf useless. Even Vilgax is progressively becoming less capable of challenging Ben. In the Original Series, even Dr. Animo was truly able to challenge Ben and become a serious threat to him. There are various different ways that Khyber can try to be more of a serious threat but the most important thing is that Khyber, and all or most of Ben's other enemies, need to be able to truly challenge Ben for the purpose of maintaining tension for the series.
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@Tactical-Ochoa You make a really good point. Khyber actually had a chance of becoming a serious threat, for one reason: the Nemetrix. I agree with Tyranid's point on the Nemetrix, a unique concept where the Omnitrix aliens had natural predators that either countered their powers (Terroranchula, Hypnotick) or simply overpowered them (Tyrannopede, Slamworm)
There was actually a concept idea of a predator for Waybig-here
It would've made for a cool episode where Ben was stuck in Waybig for some reason and was very ill. This could've been the equivalent of Khyber poisoning Ben. Would something like this have made Khyber a serious threat?
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