Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 2

[Tactical Ochoa]

@Mortie-10 said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 2:

@Tactical-Ochoa You are OS blinded when you only see the original series as good and everything else as bad. Come on.

@Mortie-10 Hey dumbass, I recalled plenty of times already of all the good aspects that the Ben 10 sequel shows have. No, I am not OS blinded. You were just being a whiny triggered little bitch.

@Ebomnitrix Thank you for the article. It does make the Ben 10 reboot sound a little more promising. However, I'm not just sticking to just those very words. If that really is what they're promising in the reboot, that better be the case. I have seen many many time already where movies, shows, video games, etc have made many promises and have stated what is going to be in them only for very little to none of that ending up being fulfilled. A part of me doubts that at least most of what the article mentions is going to be the case but I hope it does end up being true. Also, if the Ben 10 reboot really is going to have a new and unique storyline, it better be good as well. Just because it's new and unique doesn't make it good. It's more about the execution and delivery.

@Omni-Triforcer Nice work finding the clip. It just looks average to me. One thing that has me confused is why does Four Arms have only two arms during the wrestling scene? I thought that was an animation error until I saw that scene. Saw the clip on Twitter as well. So much dislike and so little interest and support. Anyone here can ignore it all they like but it's not going to go away and cease to exist and it will likely affect the Ben 10 reboot in a significantly negative way.

[NEVERAGAIN]

@Tactical-Ochoa You dont need to be rude here. Grow up. This is Ben 10 club, not the kindergarden where we call eatchother bad words.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@Mortie-10 And I don't care. I know this isn't kindergarten. I didn't type my previous comment with that in mind. I'm 21 years old so I've already grown up. I, just like everyone else here, can freely speak whatever's on their mind. If that's what I want to call you as, I can and I will. Go ahead. Keep saying that I'm "OS blinded." Keep saying that I'm "too negative." Keep saying that I "look at everything through nostalgic glasses." Go ahead and say whatever you want to me and the same can go for anyone else here. I don't care. I'll keep speaking my views here. I'll keep saying that the Ben 10 reboot will most likely fail and be terrible. I don't care anymore if you or anyone else want to look forward to it. I don't care anymore if anyone wants to be excited for it. I don't care if anyone here is going to label me with anything. It will do you no good because I am still going to speak whatever is on my mind. I am still trying to improve myself and be less harsh and that can take time to accomplish but I'm not going to stop at the moment. Well see how the Ben 10 reboot goes. Well see who's going to be in the right. If I'm wrong, I'll go ahead and admit that but my opinion and prediction still stands. The Ben 10 reboot is most likely not going to be a good show and is most likely not going to be a successful enough show either to last for a while. I still give it one to two seasons top. After the reboot airs for a while and gathers up its reception, well see who's right.

[Ebomnitrix]

1. HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT FOUR ARMS TRAILER TIL NOW, THE HOLOGRAMS RETURN!!!!!
2. When can we actually get a confirmed English voice aside Four Arms and Ben that we can recognize, cause Gwen and Diamondhead I can barely tell for crap who is playing them.
3. Can we please not start a fight here? I know he shouldn't have called you a dumbass, but still he has a fair point that he's not OS blinded. But stop triggering each other, Opinions are Opinions, even if some others don't like it, that's what makes us unique.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@Ebomnitrix That is another thing that I forgot to mention. I don't want to get into fights either. I just want to have discussions. I don't want to call anyone a dumbass or anything else that is rude. I'm usually a nice and respectful guy. Unfortunately, things do end up having to stoop this low and I'm frustrated to all hell about it. Now I find myself having to buckle down here because enough is enough. I made that previous comment not only for me to buckle down here but to also make an attempt to put an end to this crap. So yeah, again, I don't want things to end up like this as well but unfortunately it did. I don't like having to do this but I have to so I agree with you.

[Ultimate OmniTri]

@Tactical-Ochoa you need to stop swearing. I don't care how old you are there are rules here and one of them is to not swear. We are talking about a kid show no need to be nasty with people. let's try to be a little mature.

[james]

@Omni-Triforcer http://www.parentherald.com/articles/64281/20160830/ben-10-news-spoilers-release-date-reboot-in-the-works-cartoon-network-will-give-more-villains-and-more-aliens.htm

Here is another link

[Ben 10 Fan]

Animation Error! if you watch that Four Arms video in slow motion you saw the Omnitrix ring is turned on Overflow before that is Four Arms so he is suposed to turn into Overflow

[james]

@Ben-10-Fan or it could just be the omnitrix turning ben into wrong aliens again.

[Ryan Ivanov]

@Tactical-Ochoa I agree with everything you said!And i don't mean just from the last 10 messages.Let me explain.I love the ben 10 series, and it's probably the idea behind it, not so much the art and design.But when u start thinking about it, changing the art actually changes the idea.From a sci-fi fiction it changes it to a cartoon-ish show with repetetive humour.I have read almost everything that you have written since 12 months ago, when you started most of the discussions.And most people probably don't even know how deep have you gone into the subjects, so you should not try to argue with them, when they don't try to understand things from your angle.I have watched all the ben 10, and to be honest, i liked all the series, even omnitrix (at least the ending was the most epic for me).But even if we like or don't like omnitrix, I think everybody can agree the the reboot is going downhill.Even you @Omni-Triforcer , I am pretty sure that even everything you have said agains @Tactical-Ochoa , you also prefer the reboot to not be so childish and dull as it will be.You also can't deny that everything CN says about the ''new generation'' and ''the children like 11 minutes'' is BS, everyone can see that.You also miss the point of the discussion, @Tactical-Ochoa for the last year has been trying to contact CN and MOA and explain why the reboot will be a disaster, while you are arguing with him about his bad manners and etc.Age, looks and way of expressing is not the point of this discussion, and i think that you, @Omni-Triforcer , have just nothing more to say about the topic.If you want to add something to the discussion, make a research, add arguments, and stop crying about things that are way our of context.

Now as for my opinion on everything so far:
1.I actually liked the style of the omnitrix series, those all 80 episodes were pretty interesting (but that's just me).
2 .My favorite series are ultimate alien and alien force (is this guy nuts, these series sucked!)Well, they made mistakes, but i think the idea of seeing ben gwen and kevin as teenagers was pretty lit, i really liked it.@Tactical-Ochoa I maybe have only 1 or two things to disagree with you.For example i think that the gwen+kevin getting togethere was a good idea, even if it is not original, it just felt like it should happen, even if it was forced.I also don't like the idea of gwen and ben not being cousins, but being a couple.It sounds weird and unusuall to me.Probably because I will feel nostalgia for the old series, but as well because a lot of the ben 10 series loses it's point.Most of the humour came from ben and gwen arguing, and if they were attracted to each other even though they were arguing all the time, it would be the same as 90% of the romantic stories, where there will be the cliche ''oposite attracts each other'' (not an english speaker, but you get the idea).Also another thing, i saw u were going deep into the fact about gwen being half anodite, half human.I can get why you are mad about it, yes it has no logic, BUT THAT IS SCIENCE FICTION, it doesn't need to have logic in it to be good, so the whole idea of trying to say that gwen being hybrid was a bad idea was just useless.That also makes you a hypocrite, the whole time you were saying that you don't want ben 10 to be with a super hero theme, you want it to stay sci-fi, but then you start making discusiions how there is no logic in anodites not having DNA bla bla bla...

But as a conclusion, I am really sad and angry that people are forcing these cartoonish stuff just to reach out to more kids to sale their merchandise, this is the point,CN very well knows that they will get more views if they make the show worth watching for all ages of people, but that way less people will buy their toys, as if they make the show exactly for kids, kids will buy the merchandise.I cant explain it well, so here is an example: 1.I make series that are interesting, funny and will reach out to all ages of people = less merchandise, more happines
2.I make series with dull humour with a childish plot (if i can even call it plot with 11 minute long series), made just for kids = more merchandise

So in a nutshell CN tries to make more money and they are just using stupid excuses, everybody knows that, nobody can deny.But that is the thing that pisses me off!Years ago (talking before the wi-fi came out) the point of making series and comedy was to entertaing people.Now a days, the point is to make more content, with less effort, with quantity > quallity and no emotion put into it.This is sad, that people try to make more for money.And the fault is not only to CN, it is the whole system's fault.They make people live to make money, not make money to live.They forgot what got them popular at first place, the idea behind it!It's like starting a youtube channel, if you wanna do the stupid DIY and vlog BS just because more people are interested in this stuff and you can make profit of it, you won't make people smile (which is the whole point of theathre, movies and etc.)The point is to be creative and to make something new!Just trying to make ben 10 look with the same design as other series is stupid!Kids will like it because they are kids, not because it is actually a good design @Tactical-Ochoa also said that.CN thinks that making more of the same will bring them more money because they have succeed in the past, but they forgot that they didn't succeed with the formula quantity > quallity, they suceeded with the formula of creativnes, being original, making something new, introducing new type of series, making new design.That is what made them popular and earn money, so until they realise that the problem is not only in ben 10, but the whole idea of making the same type of series, but with a different plot is usage of kids imagination that will keep them watching even if the show is sh*t, and a bad idea because it will age overtime and CN won't do nothing but bankrupt.As @Tactical-Ochoa said, CN is missing an oppurtunity.They miss a great chance to shine again with the original idea of ben 10 that made it popular at first place.I am sad that i just saw the discussion the last 2 days and i couldn't try to contact CN and MOA the last days.We don't only need to fight agains that reboot @Tactical-Ochoa , we need to explain the their whole formula is wrong, and remind them what made it good series in first place.Next time we try to contact them, not only say that ben 10 reboot is a bad idea, but remind them that making all the diffeent unique ideas (ben 10, league of justice, power puff girls and etc.) looking the same, will not make them more popular and will definetely not make them more likable to people.I am a very hyperactive person, so if there are any random thoughts with no point in this opinion, i am sorry, i don't have the nerves to read through everything i have written already and fix any mistakes, I am also a foreign speaker, so excuse me for any of my mistakes.Hope you all get the point of the discussion in first place and stop arguing about things that are all out of context, and try to bring back the uniquenes to ben 10 again and hopefully we get something more likebale next time there are new series out :0

[KorseBLI-ND]

@Ryan-Ivanov ah yeah I agree also the only way for cartoonetwork to change is if they go through a coup and get rid of most of the people and also the reason I like the bwen pairing is because at first when i watched the original series i did not they were cousins and with some of the stuff that was happening in the show like when gwen was teaching ben to dance in the rustbucket and the other little things

[Tactical Ochoa]

@Ryan-Ivanov You made some good points. In regards to Gwen being half anodite, I wouldn't say that I was being a hypocrite (although of course I wouldn't say that). It was more so that I missed mentioning another major aspect about the Ben 10 series back then and that was the whole mystical aspect in regards to the use of spells and magic, which is where characters such as Gwen, Charmcaster, Hex, etc come in. It helps give greater variety and complexity to the Ben 10 universe, further adding in to the mystery and fantasy for the world at which the series is built around.

Also, just because it's a science fiction show doesn't mean that it has to be completely scientifically inaccurate. Some aspects about the series should and does have to be accurate to the real world, or at least have to make sense, in order to prevent viewers from having a suspension of disbelief. That was another thing about the Ben 10 series, most especially the Original Series, that I believe I haven't actually touched upon as well where there is a strong sense of realism with the world of Ben 10 as well. I mentioned before how Omniverse had an episode where Ben tells his group to hold their breaths before they go into space and how that's a terrible idea because of how the lack of pressure in space and the amount of pressure inside their lungs could lead to their lungs getting ruptured and torn apart if they keep all that oxygen inside them. Titan A.E. was a science fiction animated film and they got that aspect right. It can be off setting for at least some if viewers watching Omniverse are aware of this very scientific fact. So yeah, Anodites not having DNA is illogical; it is something that doesn't make sense at all and thus this damaged the Ben 10 series because it causes a suspension of disbelief. It could even be arguable that Anodites aren't even a species at all since that a species needs DNA in order to, well be a species. DNA is needed to transmit across generations. To allow evolution and variation to happen. To ensure the survival of said species. To allow for the creation of future generations and offsprings. Etc etc etc. I'm not a scientist but I can easily look the information up online. So again yes, it very much is illogical for Anodites to not have DNA, for Gwen to be half Anodite, and even for Ben to remain fully human even though his biological grandmother is an Anodite. It doesn't make sense and, as a result, it had a significantly negative impact on the Ben 10 series when Alien Force made that very retcon (yes, Gwen being half Anodite is actually a retcon).

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-all-living-creatures-have-DNA
(I believe this link here should be sufficient enough to further explain my point. There are certainly many other sources that further explains this.)

I already explained a while back before as to why I prefer for Gwen to be a fully human sorceress and not half alien so I won't go through that again. It's not like we're going to be seeing Gwen as an Anodite again since that Joe Kelly did mention that MOA prefers for Gwen to be a fully human sorceress and they are the Executive Producers of the Ben 10 reboot.

As for the whole cousin romance aspect with Ben and Gwen, I have an entire page discussing that and I also have pages and posts discussing the problems of Kevin being a hero character and being paired up with Gwen and why I find that to not make sense at all so I don't need to go over it again. It's fine if you prefer Gwen being paired with Kevin because that's your opinion and I respect that. I just don't find it ideal and suitable for the series. Ben and Gwen have the strongest connection and relationship in the Ben 10 series. Even if they are cousins, I still find that they would be the best choice for a romantic couple in the series. It just overall makes the most amount of sense that way. Still, you can think whatever you want as well.

Oh and also, I almost forgot, opinions and views can change over time. I no longer see the Ben 10 series as just a Sci-Fi show. I see the mystical and realism elements in the show as well.

Again, you made some really good points so thanks for posting on here.

[Ryan Ivanov]

@KorseBLI-ND Haha i get what you are talking about!Don't get me wrong, i like the idea of Bwen, but i think it will change the show too much to the point it will not be a ben 10 series, but it will be a different show by itself, keeping only the idea of the watch the same.There is a difference between a reboot and a new series, and ''Bwen'' or ''Ken and ben 10.000'' will do just that.But as i said, i like the idea and know what you mean

[Ryan Ivanov]

@Tactical-Ochoa So have you given up on trying to change or even cancel future cartoonish BS that CN will do to ben 10?You don't seem so enthusiastic to change things now.But that's just how i see it, I maybe wrong.

[KorseBLI-ND]

@Ryan-Ivanov ah yeah also to me bwen would of been better than the damn gwevin pairing because to me it looks like it is going to be a abusive relationship plus also I kinda like the whole forbidden fruit idea for the bwen pairing plus I watched rocky horror picture show when I was a kid so that is one of the reasons my mind is more open minded on stuff

[Ryan Ivanov]

@KorseBLI-ND I get your point, but the ''forbidden fruit'' idea won't be possible, CN obviously wants less violence and wants to give a proper attitude towards children, so being more than friends when they are still fcousins will be way out of a ''go go'' for CN.They would never show such attitude towards characters in their shows.So unless it is on adult swim or netflix, we won't see such a thing soon.Bwen can happen on CN, only if they are not cousins by plot.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@Ryan-Ivanov No. At the very least just further open up awareness to others about Cartoon Network and their BS. I stopped trying to contact Cartoon Network for a while because they wouldn't respond back and it had reached the point where the Ben 10 reboot is happening regardless. I'll try to go back and make attempts to contact Man of Action and Cartoon Network soon. Either way, I haven't given up yet.

[Ryan Ivanov]

@Tactical-Ochoa If you need any help, tell me.We can start a pettition (even if their are already ones) or at least something that will make a change.I really want this awesome show to not go downhill and to be as awesome as it could.Again, inform me if you need any help.

[Tactical Ochoa]

@Ryan-Ivanov Ok, I'll let you know if I need anything. Thanks.

[KorseBLI-ND]

@Ryan-Ivanov I know but with the original idea for the show ben and gwen were not suppose to be cousins also with me I don't care what society thinks because to me they are sheep