Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 2

Tactical Ochoa · 21 Aug 2016, 17:34

So I came across these two articles that both discuss the toy line for the Ben 10 reboot discussing a bit of news about them and how the development of these toys are going. There was a mention of how things have been quite exciting, encouraging, and welcoming for the Ben 10 reboot toy line. Yeah, right, because things really have been quite exciting, encouraging, and welcoming ever since that teaser clip of the Ben 10 reboot was released back at San Diego Comic-Con 2016.

There's also a mention of how the Ben 10 toy line became a major phenomenon the first time around and thus how it's tricky to predict how well the toy line will do this time. Here's my prediction on how the toy line for the Ben 10 reboot will do. Yes back then during the Ben 10 OS, the toy line soared in sales. It was one of Cartoon Network's most successful sales in merchandise for the company and network. However, as time went by and as Cartoon Network more so started treating the Ben 10 franchise more poorly and exploiting it more just to sell more toys and gain more profits, Ben 10 toy sales have gone down drastically. How drastically? I mentioned this before plenty of times. Ultimate Alien's toy line have done so poorly in sales that it tanked Omniverse's toy line. Most people didn't want to buy Ben 10 toys and most retail stores didn't want to sell any more Ben 10 toys because they knew that the toys weren't selling and profiting. It's like I said before, because of this, what makes Cartoon Network think that the Ben 10 toy line will do well enough this time around with the Ben 10 reboot? There's already a large negative response and very little interest in the Ben 10 reboot. Most people are not looking forward to it. The toy line has pretty much gone under since Ben 10 Ultimate Alien. My prediction is that, especially if the reboot doesn't do well and doesn't turn out to be good, the Ben 10 toy line isn't going to do well enough in sales because of what I mentioned here.

http://www.licensing.biz/news/read/excitement-builds-for-ben-10-s-return-to-toy-shelves/044436
http://www.thebitbag.com/ben-10-2016-return-tv-series-means-return-ben-10-toys/171544

Ebomnitrix · 21 Aug 2016, 18:43

Actually I wanna state this @ Tactical Ochoa.
Bandai has had a history of failing toy lines for shows, like a long one, because the same thing happened to Thundercats when it came back in 2011.
I think toy sells back then in general were just failing because YJ failed when it had a super strong fan base, Generator Rex wasn't that popular and its toy sales failed before its second wave of figures released.
But my point is, if you look at Bandai's history, with some merchandising, some stuff has failed in the past, and I think they switched to Playmates because TMNT was doing so well. So my best bet, people may buy those figures, but remember, A LOT OF PEOPLE HATE the Reboot, I don't think the toy sales will do any good if that many people hate the franchise.
Right now the only things people are paying attention to is Steven Universe, TMNT, how bad TTG is, and other trends that I don't really remember.
Ben 10 was big back then, but I don't think the Reboot is going to help it make it any bigger due to the change in Omniverse pissing a lot of people off, Therefore, until Ben 10 makes a show that's not like CN's current trend, it follows a more developing and anime-path like UAF, but without the DC feeling/Max-shoving off/alien-pushing episodes, then we may have something going. (Like Pokemon XYZ, Dragon Ball, whatever) Because Ben 10 being relied on kiddish stuff over and over is the worst for the franchise to rise to fame.

Rexfan1333 · 21 Aug 2016, 19:18

@Ebomnitrix Yeah, CN needs to get their shit together because it's only making them look really bad at this point.

KorseBLI-ND · 21 Aug 2016, 19:27

@Rexfan1333 I agree

Tactical Ochoa · 22 Aug 2016, 06:30

@Ebomnitrix Bandai's history of failing toy lines is a good point to make as well. Still, Ultimate Alien and Omniverse's poor ratings and mediocre quality still had a major affect on the sales of Ben 10 merchandise having gone down quite badly.

Another thing to mention as well is that people don't buy toys and merchandise just because of the Ben 10 name alone. The reason why the Ben 10 OS toy line did so well was because the OS was a great show that built up a large fanbase that was very willing to buy Ben 10 toys and merchandise because they like the OS and want to show their support and appreciation for it because, again, it's a great show. That's why the original Powerpuff Girls merchandise line was so successful as well. If Cartoon Network really wants to profit off of selling toys so much, then make good shows. It's not guaranteed to work because it's also up to the toy companies to make good toys but there is a better increased chance that toys and merchandise will sell well enough if the shows are at least good and popular.

KorseBLI-ND · 22 Aug 2016, 06:37

@Tactical-Ochoa I agree tactical plus I still have my lucky girl version of gwen in the package that it came with

Ben 10 Fan · 22 Aug 2016, 16:42

@KorseBLI-ND Cool that you still have a old Ben 10 toy as Lucky Girl in the package
@Tactical-Ochoa and yeah You're right on that point about selling Ben 10 toys almost nobody enjoyed to buy the Ben 10 Omniverse /Ultimate Alien toys. But the shows, for example Omniverse was not a really bad show as the hated shows right now as The new Ben 10, TTG and PPG Omniverse was hated by people because they hate that new design so they don't want to buy that new Design Aliens/Characters thats just my opinion of the Ben 10 Omniverse toys selling

KorseBLI-ND · 22 Aug 2016, 16:51

@Ben-10-Fan ah yeah it is just I wish I could find more of the original toys but not have to pay a arm and a leg for them

Tactical Ochoa · 22 Aug 2016, 21:43

@Ben-10-Fan Omniverse really wasn't that bad. It has its good episodes but it also has its bad episodes and pointless filler episodes. To me, much like Alien Force, Omniverse was just average with being arguable as to whether it was good or bad. It wasn't just the art design but there were many other factors that held Omniverse back. To me, Omniverse had a good run with the Malware story arc and then just fell apart after that. Even then, the Malware arc had an opportunity to take in showing the events that led to Ben taking the Omnitrix off before Alien Force but didn't take it, which held it back a little. There were other factors as well such as having Ben and Gwen separated (and I explained why that was a problem on the Bwen page), many plot holes, numerous animation errors, retcons, a lot of really stupid moments, etc. Omniverse just had a lot of problems that held it back.

On an extra side note about Omniverse, very interesting thing that I found out about a while back. The episode of Omniverse, Vilgax Must Croak, Ben tells the group to hold their breaths while in the vacuum of space. Yeah, in actuality, doing that would cause their lungs to rupture and tear fatally. Explosive decompression. When in space, you're supposed to exhale to avoid this. The animated film, Titan A.E., did this correctly. Just a nice little fun fact really and it's understandable if the writers didn't know this, even though it's important to make sure to do some research first before doing scenes like this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskScienceFiction/comments/3ru9rp/titan_ae_why_did_korso_tell_cale_to_exhale/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontrolled_decompression#Explosive_decompression

NelsonYeung2 · 30 Aug 2016, 10:05

Ever since I've decided to buy Blue Beetle Rebirth comics, watched Niko & The Sword of Light pilot & heard of Zak Storm, I've became far less interested in the Ben 10 Reboot.

Tactical Ochoa · 30 Aug 2016, 16:20

@NelsonYeung2 Most people aren't interested and looking forward to the Ben 10 reboot. There's very little support and excitement for it right now and the show's not even out yet. The Ben 10 reboot is being shined out by all these other far better shows. I'm more so of looking forward to the new Samurai Jack coming that's coming out soon on Toonami.

Rexfan1333 · 30 Aug 2016, 18:43

@NelsonYeung2 pretty sad to hear that, are you even into Ben 10 anymore? Just curious

@Tactical-Ochoa you know you can just watch the original series if you don't like the reboot at all, there are people who want to see Ben 10 again you know. I like Samurai Jack as well bit I'm also looking forward to Ben 10.

Tactical Ochoa · 30 Aug 2016, 19:37

@Rexfan1333 I'm not one of those "this show ruins my childhood" type of people. Just saying. I know that I can always go back and watch the Original Series again and I already know that the Original Series is a great show. I want the reboot to be good. I want Ben 10 to be a good series again. Sometimes re-watching the Original Series isn't going to be enough and regardless the reboot would still exist and you can only watch the Original Series so many times before doing so gets old; especially when I already know everything that happens in it. Honestly, I don't care right now that I can go back and re-watch the Original Series. That's not important right now. What I do care about is that I don't want Cartoon Network to tarnish the Ben 10 series. Is going back and re-watching the Original Series going to change and improve things for the better for me or anyone else? No, the Ben 10 reboot would still exist and it would still cause a major and significant impact on Cartoon Network and viewers. There's still a little over a month left before it premieres and the Ben 10 reboot is already having a significant and negative impact on Cartoon Network and viewers right now. Going back and re-watching the Original Series can be enjoyable to do but it's not going to change anything. It's not going to make the reboot any better. It's not going to wipe the reboot out of existence. It's not going to do any sort of damage control. Going back and re-watching the Original Series isn't going to make things better here for the reboot. If anything, the great quality that the Original Series has is going to make the reboot look even worse by comparison. After all, a lot of fans and viewers, even the new generation of kids, are certainly going to compare the Ben 10 reboot to the Ben 10 OS. Overall, going back and re-watching the Original Series isn't going to help make the current situation here any better at all.

I can go on and on about every single aspect on how the Ben 10 reboot is most likely going to be an average, mediocre, or terrible show. On how it's not going to deliver and succeed well enough during its airtime. However, what it basically all comes down to is that even with Man of Action acting as the Executive Producers of the reboot, modern day Cartoon Network and modern day Cartoon Network Studios are the ones that are making the show. Not the Cartoon Network and CN Studios of the 90s and 2000s. Not the original team that made, worked on, and produced the Original Series (I would certainly have a lot more faith in the reboot if that was the case). Not the original writers, artists, animators, producers, and everyone else that worked on and made the Original Series. No, the Cartoon Network and Cartoon Network Studios of today are making the Ben 10 reboot. The same people that made shows such as Clarence, Uncle Grandpa, Mixels (for which John Fang was one of the creators of), the PPG reboot, etc are working on and making the Ben 10 reboot. A team that mostly consists of interns and young, naive, and fresh out of college amateurs that have morals and mindsets that reek of bullshit, thinking that memes and pop culture references and progressive morals and ideals are most, if not all, of what makes a good show. That's what it really all comes down to.

KorseBLI-ND · 30 Aug 2016, 19:53

@Tactical-Ochoa I agree plus also to me ben 10 is kind of tarnished already because of Dwayne McDuffie making the whole gwevin pairing plus how it seemed that him and the other people who worked on the show did not watch the original show and how they tried to retcon the story from the original show

Rexfan1333 · 30 Aug 2016, 20:33

@Tactical-Ochoa I understand your opinion, but seriously, what if it's good, honestly it might not be better than the original, but at least watchable, honestly what is the point in bring it back if this is what the series gets, ben 10 has always been one of the most hated shows for no reason because they don't like Ben or something stupid like that. Ben 10 is just one of those shows with a lot of potential to be great, but if this is how you and everyone treats it, what's the point of bringing it back. I want to see the series be great, but I really hate all this negativity toward it, I understand criticism which is good, I'm not a huge fan of the changes they made, but they won't listen to us. I'm at least going to give the series a shot, I really want to see what the future holds for Ben 10.

Rexfan1333 · 30 Aug 2016, 20:34

@KorseBLI-ND At least there was good things about the sequels too, they may not have been done amazingly, but I still found the enjoyable.

KorseBLI-ND · 30 Aug 2016, 20:40

ah yeah but not much also I hated the frogs of war episode because of how ben forgive earth for banishing him with me if I was him I would hold a grudge plus also I would attea with a virus to kill her entire race as payback

Rexfan1333 · 30 Aug 2016, 20:57

@KorseBLI-ND Ben's a hero and he doesn't hold grudges, it's just not part of his character.

KorseBLI-ND · 30 Aug 2016, 21:18

ah yeah but still have power of the pod he was banish into run out if azmuth did not show up he would be dead plus how the people turn against what happens if they do it again so that is another minus just to me he should of said to them if they say you are our hero and you are the dead and walk away

Tactical Ochoa · 31 Aug 2016, 07:04

@Rexfan1333 You and many others have already asked me the question of "what if the Ben 10 reboot is good" many times already and I've already answered it as well. I'm not answering that again and you should already know the answer to it. Ben 10 receiving such negative reception didn't happen for no reason. It also certainly doesn't help your argument when you say that Ben 10 receives so much hate for no reason only to follow that up by providing possible reasons. Even if Alien Force did have some good aspects to it, it really did mark the beginning of the series going downhill. Ben 10 does have great potential and I mentioned that very fact many times already. Many fans and viewers give the series a lot of criticism and dislike however because Cartoon Network had never really fulfilled that potential. A lot of people did want a reboot but even more people wanted a Ben 10,000 series. Even if you hate all the negativity that Ben 10 has been going through, until the series gets back on track and that very actual potential is fulfilled, all that negativity isn't going away so deal with it. Cartoon Network also won't listen to their viewers because they think they know better; because they follow a "we're right and you're wrong" mentality, which is a bad approach to take. Cartoon Network also won't listen because not enough people are speaking up and also because Cartoon Network hasn't been given a good enough reason for them to turn things around and make changes and improvements for the better of the network and the viewers. Cartoon Network hasn't experienced enough of a failure to make them want to kick things up into gear. We've discussed the state of Cartoon Network and how badly downhill it's going. If Cartoon Network doesn't change things around for the better and put an end to their bullshit and start making some actual good shows again, it's eventually, if not soon, going to collapse. The Ben 10 reboot may be their last chance. Teen Titans Go! was already the first strike. The PPG reboot is the second strike. If the Ben 10 reboot doesn't deliver, that's strike number three and at that point it's likely that Cartoon Network is done for or maybe that third strike will mark the turning point for Cartoon Network if they actually do manage to learn from their mistakes.

I've said this many times as well. I don't think it'll even matter if the Ben 10 reboot is good or watchable. It's a reboot of the Original Series. It must absolutely need to be an improvement over the Original Series in order for it to prove that it does rightfully need to exist. That's one of the major requirements for any reboot and remake to accomplish. If the Ben 10 reboot doesn't achieve that, even if it's good, it's going to suffer from that. Like I said, a lot of people, especially the new generation of kids, are going to be comparing this reboot to the Original Series. Doing so would most likely end up making the reboot look even worse by comparison. Like I said many times before, the stakes are too high and there is too much about and that's connected to the Ben 10 reboot that is working against it. If you want to be excited for the Ben 10 reboot and want to give it a chance, that's completely up to you but at the very least follow this saying "expect the unexpected and prepare for the worst."