My Predictions on Ben 10 Hero Generation
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i know tactical just my rage against is tame to what it was like before because before it was like al capone where I would say I want him dead his family dead and his house burned to the ground so desecrating a grave is kind of tamed to how my anger was before
@KorseBLI-ND I know McDuffie caused problems with the Ben 10 series but it's not something worth getting that angry over. I don't care if urinating on his grave is tame compared to your thoughts of him in the past. It's still disrespectful and he doesn't deserve that. At the very least just tone it down. Tone it down to a more respectful and reasonable level. You can freely speak whatever you want but sometimes it's better to keep some thoughts to yourself.
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ah the reason I am that is because of what happen to the old forum I was on just those guys were like my family more than my real family heck Because Dwayne McDuffie followers we had to stop one of our members from offing himself and some other stuff so that is why my rage is so hot for Dwayne
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ah the reason I am that is because of what happen to the old forum I was on just those guys were like my family more than my real family heck Because Dwayne McDuffie followers we had to stop one of our members from offing himself and some other stuff so that is why my rage is so hot for Dwayne
@KorseBLI-ND That's not McDuffie's fault and he would certainly be against what happened in your forum.
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ah not really most of the people came from his official forum which I had a account on I stood up for a fellow bwen member on that site and I got banned I did not even swear or anything but just standing up for a fellow bwen fan got me banned
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ah not really most of the people came from his official forum which I had a account on I stood up for a fellow bwen member on that site and I got banned I did not even swear or anything but just standing up for a fellow bwen fan got me banned
@KorseBLI-ND Some fan forum sites you have to be more careful with because if how they are and how they're set up as. It's always better to find a forum that best suits you. Do you still remember what forum site you got banned from?
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ah not really any more just I am blanking at the moment
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ah not really any more just I am blanking at the moment
@KorseBLI-ND Ok
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actually tactical I just remember it is was dwaynemcduffie.com
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I've been wanting to do something like this since it was revealed that Kevin and Charmcaster were indeed intended by MOA to be anti-heroes in the series. I just haven't been able to find the time to work on it because of work. Now I'm able to put in that needed time to make this page. It's going to be a pretty long post to read as well since that there's a lot to cover here. Basically, I want to give my prediction on how at least some or most of the events of Ben 10 Hero Generation would have likely played out based on everything that we already know about the show and MOA's intentions in the Ben 10 series. I'm also going to state certain directions and possibilities that could be taken with certain elements of Hero Generation while giving my opinions as to which direction would work best and how. These are just predictions though. Just what I think what Hero Generation would most likely be like and that's really it.
First things first, let's take note of everything that is already known in regards to MOA's intentions and plans with Ben 10 after the Original Series. The plot of Hero Generation was supposed to be about a teenage Ben and Gwen training a group of kids with unique alien powers and abilities to become a new team of heroes, hence the name of the sequel, Ben 10 Hero Generation. Joe Kelly stated in his AMA on Reddit a while back that he prefers keeping Gwen's magic abilities over having her being half alien. Finally, as Duncan Rouleau stated on Tumblr, Kevin and Charmcaster were indeed always intended to be anti-heroes in the series. It can also be assumed that at least some elements of Alien Force would be used in Hero Generation since that Hero Generation also acted as an early version of Alien Force as well. It can also be assumed that since Hero Generation is something that Man of Action wanted to work on as the sequel to the Original Series, much of the continuity of the Original Series would be maintained such as the Plumbers having to remain as a disbanded secret Earth organization instead of being an intergalactic law enforcement agency that we saw in Alien Force. Gwen would also remain fully human.
Let's start with characters:
It's most likely that the group of kids that Ben and Gwen train and mentor are still intended to be the Plumbers' Kids. After all, it would have to make the most amount of sense that these kids would originate from Plumber operatives. These kids having alien parents wouldn't make a lot of sense; especially since that many of the Plumbers in the Original Series had pretty racially discriminative views towards aliens. Let's not forget to point out certain aspects such as Alan being half Pyronite (Heatblast). It would be better for the Plumbers' Kids to either have their DNAs spliced with alien DNA or for them to have their own less advanced versions of the Omnitrix built off of whatever research data the Plumbers would be able to collect from the Omnitrix and Ben. Now in order for one of those two directions to happen, the Plumbers would have to become operational again and for a good reason and the reason for the Plumbers opening back up again could very much be due to the events of the Original Series; especially with Vilgax showing back up on the map as well as a new threat showing up as well. Most likely the Highbreed. It's also likely that the Plumbers' Kids would either be at the same age as Ben and Gwen or younger. Either way, I'd say that this is the best way of implementing the Plumbers' Kids and therefore it's most likely that this would be in Hero Generation.
Next up are Kevin and Charmcaster. As Duncan Rouleau stated, these two characters were always meant and intended by MOA to be anti-hero foils to Ben and Gwen. One thing that I've heard from others is how Kevin and Charmcaster would make a good villainous duo together and I can very much see that as being suitable and fitting for these characters considering their rivalry towards Ben and Gwen. Therefore, it would be fitting and favorable for Kevin and Charmcaster to team up with each other for a while. Like I mentioned before a while back though, I can definitely see Charmcaster being able to turn things around and for the better but not Kevin. The episode, Ken 10, even showed that Kevin eventually went back to his old ways. If Kevin were to become an ally of Ben and Gwen, I'd say that this would only be temporary and after a while he'll eventually end up going back to his old ways and become Ben and Gwen's enemy again. Therefore, for a while in Hero Generation, Kevin would be a reluctant or occasional ally to Ben and Gwen. He'll have to put more time and effort into earning their trust in Hero Generation than what was shown in Alien Force as well. Ben and Gwen would certainly be more cautious around him as well. Once they do eventually grow to trust Kevin though would most likely be the best moment where Kevin would turn on them and be hostile towards them again. Either Kevin would screw up but not accept responsibility for his actions leading to Ben and Gwen to have to take matters into their own hands to apprehend Kevin or Kevin could just be faking an alliance with Ben and Gwen in order to get close enough to them to make his move and get the drop on them. That's how I think Kevin would be best implemented in Hero Generation. Either he does genuinely change sides only to later screw up and be tempted enough to return back to his old ways or him allying with Ben and Gwen is all part of Kevin's plan to get the drop on them when they least expect it.
The same could go with Charmcaster as well where she would also feign wanting to ally with Ben and Gwen just so she could get the drop on them as well. Maybe. However, unlike Kevin, Charmcaster would be less tempted to return to her old ways and actually genuinely turn her life around. When I made the topic page about Kevin and Charmcaster intended to be anti-heroes, I gave that analogy in relation to "The Killing Joke" Batman comic/film where having one bad day can make the sanest person go insane flowed up by how having one good day can have a significant and more positive effect on someone as well. I can definitely see this happening to Charmcaster where during her attempts of trying to defeat Ben and Gwen or spending time with them faking being an ally, Charmcaster would find herself experiencing and appreciating having some good moments in her life that would help build up to her eventual and genuine transition into being a more hero-type character. The tipping point that would finally set off this very transition would be when Charmcaster would finally end up being sick and tired of her uncle, Hex's, treatment of her and finally fight back and make a stand against him with maybe some help from Ben and Gwen. Hex would be defeated and Charmcaster would finally be free from her uncle and be able to live a new life, putting her villainous past behind her once and for all.
Finally we got Ben and Gwen themselves. Due to the events of the Original Series, Ben and Gwen would certainly be much better characters than they were back when the series first started. Ben could still be his old self being egocentric, impulsive, and fun-loving but he would most certainly be more focused and determined with his role as a hero as well. After all, Ben would be mentoring a group of kids to become new heroes. Gwen could also still have elements of her old self as well as having elements of being more relaxed and fun-loving due to her spending time with Ben. As for their relationship with each other, it's still unknown as to whether or not they would end up being a romantic couple together but one thing that is for certain is that Ben and Gwen would have a much stronger and more friendly and caring relationship with each other. The strongest relationship in Hero Generation, in fact, since that they're the main characters. Again, this is regardless as to whether or not Bwen would happen in Hero Generation.
Now we get to part 2 and that's the story:
How would the story of Hero Generation go? Since that at least some elements of Alien Force may have likely originated from Hero Generation, it can be reasonable that the plot of Hero Generation is largely the same as Alien Force. Going in chronological order of events, if Hero Generation had the element of Ben having removed the Omnitrix and retiring from being a hero, there would have to be a good, strong reason for this. Reasons such as Ben just wanting to stop being a hero because he's tired of it would most certainly not work; especially since that it would be very much out of character for Ben. Therefore, there has to be an outside force that would lead to Ben's temporary retirement. Something tragic and significant. In the OS episode, Ben 10,000, it was revealed that Ben eventually killed Vilgax. I believe it wasn't stated when though. It was stated that Ben becomes Ben 10,000 at the age of 15 but I don't think they made the connection to that with Ben killing Vilgax. Considering Vilgax's significance in the series and his hatred towards Ben, Vilgax would certainly try to make more attempts to go after Ben soon after the events of Secret of the Omnitrix. I can see how soon after the events of the Original Series, Vilgax went after Ben again and things didn't end so well. Something tragic would happen such as maybe Vilgax's next battle with Ben would result in the deaths of many innocent people or someone or some of those close to Ben almost died (most likely at least Gwen since that she's so important to Ben). If Hero Generation would have the element of Ben having a temporary period of retirement, I'd say that this would be the best direction at which to handle that and I think it's most likely possible that this is what could have been intended to happen. Vilgax is great and significant to the series but he's not the type of villain that would stick around for long considering his untimely demise as revealed in the first future episode.
Moving on to current events of Hero Generation, the Plumbers would be operational again and Ben and Gwen face a new threat that would pull them out of retirement. It's most likely that the Highbreed would end up being the main threat in Hero Generation much like how they were in Alien Force. The Plumbers would give the Plumbers' Kids their alien powers and abilities through either DNA splicing or having duplicate, less advanced Plumbers versions of the Omnitrix with only one DNA sample. This would be a response to the events of the Original Series as well as the new Highbreed threat towards Earth while Ben and Gwen would take charge in mentoring and training the Plumbers' Kids and making them into a new team of heroes. Kevin and Charmcaster could likely team up together to face Ben and Gwen. Either they fake having an alliance to build up Ben and Gwen's trust in order to get close to them and get the drop on them or Ben and Gwen could defeat Kevin and Charmcaster and make them reluctant allies to help out in facing the new alien threat. Again, Gwen remains fully human.
By the end of it all, Hero Generation would end with these outcomes; some of them being likely to happen while some are guaranteed to happen. Charmcaster would turn her life around for the better. Kevin would return back to his old villainous ways and most likely would be sent back to the Null Void. The Highbreed, or whatever the alien threat is, would be defeated. Vilgax would be dead, killed by Ben. Most importantly of all, Hero Generation would mark Ben's transition into Ben 10,000. How can this be done? It could be the result of the conflict and aftermath of the Highbreed attack on Earth. It could involve the conflict between Ben and Kevin. If the subplot of Ben's temporary retirement before Hero Generation doesn't happen, then it could involve a battle between Ben and Vilgax with the possibility of Vilgax and Kevin teaming up with each other again. One thing that would be certain though would be that it would most likely end tragically on a personal note for Ben and Gwen with either there being a lot of destruction and loss of many innocent lives or more personally with Gwen, and maybe any others that are close to Ben, getting hurt and/or killed as a result of the climax of Hero Generation. Gwen, and even Max, would most certainly not die since that she has to live for the future events in the Ben 10 series but it could be possible that any other friends and/or family members that Ben has could get hurt or killed as well. Either way, regardless of these possible directions and outcomes, things wouldn't end well for Ben, sparking his transition into Ben 10,000.
Once again, these are just predictions based on what is known about Hero Generation so far. I could be wrong with any of this. Or at least most since that there are some events that would indeed happen in the Ben 10 series due to the continuity of the future episodes. If anyone has any thoughts and opinions, feel free to post them on this page. If anyone has their own sets of predictions for Hero Generation that they want to share (maybe even add to my predictions), feel free to post on here as well. There may be more about this topic that I might post on here as well.
@Tactical-Ochoa
Some very interesting ideas. It would make a good series. I wish I had known about the anti hero concept before I started. "Rewind"
One thing you missed though is that at the end of the OS everyone knows about aliens and about Ben. He was fighting in front of everyone. So neither he or the plumbers have anything to hide anymore.I would hope that the foreknowledge about Ben 10k would allow Ben to avoid becoming like that. Probably with a lot of help from Gwen.
Great ideas for what should have been.
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@Tactical-Ochoa
Some very interesting ideas. It would make a good series. I wish I had known about the anti hero concept before I started. "Rewind"
One thing you missed though is that at the end of the OS everyone knows about aliens and about Ben. He was fighting in front of everyone. So neither he or the plumbers have anything to hide anymore.I would hope that the foreknowledge about Ben 10k would allow Ben to avoid becoming like that. Probably with a lot of help from Gwen.
Great ideas for what should have been.
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So here's something that I recently realized that I didn't cover. In the OS, Ben's final conflict with Zs'Skayr ended with Zs'Skayr being trapped back inside the Omnitrix. If Zs'Skayr wasn't removed sometime between the events of the OS and Hero Generation, then it would be likely that Ben would have another conflict with Zs'Skayr if he escapes from the Omnitrix again. Now in order for Zs'Skayr to escape again, Ben would have to transform into Ghostfreak again as this was how Zs'Skayr managed to escape the first time around. Either the Omnitrix would glitch out and turn Ben into Ghostfreak by accident or Ben would have to be in a situation where he becomes so desperate to end a conflict that he would pick Ghostfreak on purpose as his last resort or something of the likes.
This conflict between Ben and Zs'Skayr could happen in three possible different scenarios within the Hero Generation series. One scenario could be some time in the present when Ben and Gwen are training the Plumbers' Kids and this just ends up being a conflict that would pretty much last for a few episodes top. I previously mentioned Ben's temporary retirement from his hero life and how in Hero Generation a battle/conflict with Vilgax could most likely be the reason for this very retirement. In the second possible scenario, if Vilgax isn't the reason for Ben retiring from being a hero, then it could be Zs'Skayr. Zs'Skayr escapes from the Omnitrix and things get disastrous and tragic enough to convince Ben to temporarily retire after the conflict has been resolved. The third and final possible scenario could be that Zs'Skayr would escape and be involved in the final conflict of Hero Generation that would result in Ben becoming Ben 10,000 and no longer having his fun side anymore till the events of the "Ben 10,000" episode in the OS.
In my opinion, I find the first scenario to be the most likely and recommended scenario with the second scenario being in second place. I don't find Zs'Skayr to be significant enough to contribute to Ben's transition into Ben 10,000 although I could be wrong. I find this conflict to likely happen in the second scenario if, again, Vilgax isn't the reason for Ben going into temporary retirement before the present day events of Hero Generation. If all the factors that I previously mentioned remain as I stated for them to be, however, then I would find having another conflict between Ben and Zs'Skayr to best happen just some time during Hero Generation; some where more around the midpoint of the series.
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So here's something that I recently realized that I didn't cover. In the OS, Ben's final conflict with Zs'Skayr ended with Zs'Skayr being trapped back inside the Omnitrix. If Zs'Skayr wasn't removed sometime between the events of the OS and Hero Generation, then it would be likely that Ben would have another conflict with Zs'Skayr if he escapes from the Omnitrix again. Now in order for Zs'Skayr to escape again, Ben would have to transform into Ghostfreak again as this was how Zs'Skayr managed to escape the first time around. Either the Omnitrix would glitch out and turn Ben into Ghostfreak by accident or Ben would have to be in a situation where he becomes so desperate to end a conflict that he would pick Ghostfreak on purpose as his last resort or something of the likes.
This conflict between Ben and Zs'Skayr could happen in three possible different scenarios within the Hero Generation series. One scenario could be some time in the present when Ben and Gwen are training the Plumbers' Kids and this just ends up being a conflict that would pretty much last for a few episodes top. I previously mentioned Ben's temporary retirement from his hero life and how in Hero Generation a battle/conflict with Vilgax could most likely be the reason for this very retirement. In the second possible scenario, if Vilgax isn't the reason for Ben retiring from being a hero, then it could be Zs'Skayr. Zs'Skayr escapes from the Omnitrix and things get disastrous and tragic enough to convince Ben to temporarily retire after the conflict has been resolved. The third and final possible scenario could be that Zs'Skayr would escape and be involved in the final conflict of Hero Generation that would result in Ben becoming Ben 10,000 and no longer having his fun side anymore till the events of the "Ben 10,000" episode in the OS.
In my opinion, I find the first scenario to be the most likely and recommended scenario with the second scenario being in second place. I don't find Zs'Skayr to be significant enough to contribute to Ben's transition into Ben 10,000 although I could be wrong. I find this conflict to likely happen in the second scenario if, again, Vilgax isn't the reason for Ben going into temporary retirement before the present day events of Hero Generation. If all the factors that I previously mentioned remain as I stated for them to be, however, then I would find having another conflict between Ben and Zs'Skayr to best happen just some time during Hero Generation; some where more around the midpoint of the series.
@Tactical-Ochoa Bringing ghostfreak back would be good. Maybe he possesses someone as a means of escape and Ben has to deal with him.
I always thought that being forewarned about Ben 10,000 would allow Ben 10 to avoid becoming like that...with some help from Gwen.
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ah yeah it would be interesting also it would of been funny if azmuth put ghost freak into a teddy bear and he was stuck in it
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ah yeah it would be interesting also it would of been funny if azmuth put ghost freak into a teddy bear and he was stuck in it
@KorseBLI-ND Right out of a horror movie. How about putting him in an animatronic bear in a pizza restaurant.
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ah no I would think azmuth made the teddy bear so that ghost freak cant kill people for they can beat the crap out of him
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ah no I would think azmuth made the teddy bear so that ghost freak cant kill people for they can beat the crap out of him
@KorseBLI-ND Sorry, I couldn't resist the reference.
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ah yeah five nights at freddys I am waiting for latest game in the series
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I know I've been kinda avoiding this basically because I have no idea of what little to say lol
But here's a question, what aliens would you see in this incarnation, the ones we know now or future new guys?
Knowing the sequels to Ben 10, Man of Action has put a major focus on Humungousaur, Big Chill, Lodestar, Rath and has created their own versions of Shocksquatch and Water Hazard.
Also it seems that they were getting ready for this new show as they mentioned 5 new aliens from Ben 10,000. Atomix, Snakepit, Shellhead, Sandbox and Toepick. Would you think we could see them?
Also, I don't know if MOA has been interested in other aliens (comment below if you know some), but what aliens from past shows do you think we could see in this show? from AF-OV?
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@car54 If you're referring to the episode "Goodbye and Good Riddance," that's not canon. Canonically, by the end of the OS no one knows about Ben hero life and the Omnitrix.
@Tactical-Ochoa said in My Predictions on Ben 10 Hero Generation:
@car54 If you're referring to the episode "Goodbye and Good Riddance," that's not canon. Canonically, by the end of the OS no one knows about Ben hero life and the Omnitrix.
That was retconed into AU status so it wouldn't conflict with Alien Force. I thought it was a great way to end the series.
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ah yeah in a way I wish they did not do that but because of mcdouchbag they changed crap
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