@admin I agree completely.
As you said they never developed a change in the character. A character can change sides but it takes time to show a believable change.
In any case Kevin should not change. As I have said before, Kevin is a perfect nemesis for Ben and should stay that way.
@Tactical-Ochoa I didn't mean to start an argument about it.
I know that's the canon story but if I liked that I wouldn't write fan fiction for it.
Fortunately, since it is fiction there is not "real story" and one version is as valid as any other.
@Rexfan1333 said:
@Omni-Triforcer I agree completely, animation is not just for kids.
I'm 47 and still a big animation fan.
@Tactical-Ochoa
There's no problem with profit, without it there would never have been a CN or Ben 10,, but they could do it with a quality product.
They may be inherently pacifist, Ben is not.
Their armor seems to be mainly defensive but Ben found a way to use it offensively.
@Rexfan1333
While I'm generally not a big fan of Japanese animation I"d give it a chance....They can't do worse than CN has so far.
@Tactical-Ochoa Yes, they are taking a very short sighted approach to their business.
@Tactical-Ochoa
I agree some of the art is even better than the original series. and a lot of the pics of them as teens look more like the original characters aged up than what we saw in AF.
I'd love to see MoA follow through with their original plan for a sequel series.
@Tyranidomega
For me it has to be Kevin. he really was the evil Ben. He was also a warning to Ben of what he could be, and probably would be without Max and Gwen. As I see it Vilgax may be the main villain of the show but Kevin is Ben's true nemesis. They are perfect enemies.
As for AF and the others, it would be like making the Joker change his ways and become Batman's partner. Or emperor Palpatine becoming Yoda's best friend.
Well like I said at DA.
She exist just to say "Look, Ben has a girlfriend....and it's not Gwen." They didn't give her anything else because her purpose doesn't go beyond that.
Your suggestions might help but she's still an unnecessary character. There's only so much you can do with her.
@tactical-ochoa
I think if I were in control of the canon version I would make some reference to other realities just as a nod to fan writers. Doing that validates the worlds created by fan fiction writers and I think helps keep a fan base interested.
I see your point about the messy nature of a multiverse or time travel but you really don't want us condemned to nothing but the AF/UA timeline do you.
What alternate realities would you like to see if we could do our own Omniverse series. What other course could the lives of our main characters have gone in. How would it have changed things.
I'll start. As a Bwen fan I'd like to see the world of the early idea that Ben and Gwen weren't related.
I think Paradox, or Professor Retcon as I've called him, could have been an interesting character but it seemed to me that he was there not to expand the Ben 10 universe (or multiverse) but to narrow it.
Fans suggested the idea of multiple realities as a way to deal with continuity errors and allow for stories that take things in a different direction.
It seems that CN tried to pour cold water on that with paradox and his idea of a "Prime" timeline. The others are just off shoots and of less importance than the prime. (The lives in those timelines are less important to I suppose.) With this they were saying that there is only one Ben 10 and this is it. Don't like it...don't watch.
Even when they showed other timelines they really didn't get very creative with it. I could name several ideas of interesting alternate versions of Ben 10 that fans might enjoy.
I think he could have worked if he were done in a different way. Perhaps he was a time traveler lost in the stream of time (Not too far from canon) and he now travels the multiverse trying to get to his own reality, (Somewhat like Sam Beckett from "Quantum Leap")
I'll have to watch it again but I don't remember anything that said it was a "What if" or in other words an AU. I saw nothing to indicate that it wasn't supposed to be the finale. It would have been a great way to pick up with "Ben 10: Hero Generation" set a few years later.
I think "Goodbye" was retconed as an AU because of all of the conflicts with AF...(Ben 10: POS)
RAT was a good alternate end to the series. I'm not sure which I like better,
Seems like Destory All Aliens was the alternate finale that would fit with POS.
They may be inherently pacifist, Ben is not.
Their armor seems to be mainly defensive but Ben found a way to use it offensively.
Bwen may never be canon but it will be part of the Ben 10 fandom as long as the fandom exist. With the of interest in Ben 10 I'm noticing that a large part of the die hard fans are Bweners.
I'd like to see MoA do a proper sequel to the OS. Maybe go with their "Hero Generation" idea.
I'd also be open to an anime version if only because that way we might get Bwen in canon.
Leave Kevin out of it and I might be on board.
Just be careful about copyright laws.
Sure, why not give that a chance. As I said elsewhere on this site, start from the beginning and hopefully do it right this time.