@omni-triforcer

No they said he was supposed to be developed as an anti-hero like what they planned for charmcaster. That doesn't mean redeemed.

I'm a Gwevin fan and given there history I question those two some times.

@fangdanerd

Adventure time I'm convinced would have been axed by CN if it didn't looks so stylized. Just at a glance AT looks like some sponge bob ish crap. Pay the tinyest bit of attention and it so much more. If CN knew what they had on there hands from day one they'd have canceled it in favored of some candy colored crap that sells toys and rots brains. We'd have lost out on so much great story telling.

I'm glad we got adventure time, and I'd like to think that id Dwayne McDuffie had lived Omniverse would have had that level of development to it.

@mortie-10 said in Derrick J Wyatt: Issues I have with him:

@andrew42 Derrick J. Wyatt is the reason why I hate Omniverse.

I 2nd this.

Dwayne Mcduffie was a smarter and more skilled writer then those that followed him.

DJW gave the impression everything that changed from TOS was bad, and every comment he made about characters and were they should be was ID HAVE KEPT IT THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got the Feeling Dwayne was writing a story and characters changed a bit as they went on and DJW just wanted a modern road runner cartoon were every episode was the same.

UAF didn't just make changes it evolved ( no pun intended) them. Omniverse was a crossed kindergarten teacher telling us NO NO NO IT SHOULD BE THIS WAY!

UAF tried a lot got a bunch right and failed at a few things.

Omniverse gave us a crayon drawing for an art class final, and had its mom call the principle so it would get a trophy OR ELSE.

I'm just saying if the Bwen fans got there wish we would have a reason for Kevin to full on enemies for life with Ben. A reason that makes sense in character for Kevin to throw away his 2nd chance and go villain. Not only will Ben have " stolen his girl" the entire gwen x kevin relationship could have been the pair using Kevin. At first because they needed his help in Alien Force, and then to cover up the fact that Ben and Gwen were " dating ". I mean they are out together till all hours of the night on " missions ". Whats an extra night or two every so often without Kevin ? Ben dates off and on through out the series Gwen and Kevin were mostly steady. Who would even ask the question?

Kevin's not stupid he'd figure it out sooner or later. When he did he'd know exactly how powerful both Gwen and Ben are, and have to mutate himself again to try and match up.

God I feel evil just writing that.

Online streaming I think really hurt plot related cartoons. TV is very episodic these days on CN. Everything that isnt is a leftover from years ago.

@andrew42

Actually Cartoon network wanted Kevin on Team Tennyson. Dwayne Mcduffie and co originally wanted to use Cooper as the 3rd member of the team.

I can't believe anyone on that show wanted it to be ok for Ben to have romantic feelings for his cousin.

I'm shocked we got this many reboots in a row. Maybe its time to let Ben 10 rested fora few years before the next reboot.

Hidden deep in the shattered reality of the 12th dimension there lies a crooked house full of crooked people from across the omniverse. These are there stores, and the story of the monster that watches over them.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13161335/1/Ben-10-The-Eon-Prime-Chronicles

I haven't written anything in a long while but here we go!

This is set in the classic continuity after the evens of omniverse.

That's awesome! I haven't logged in in months and I did it now just to say this is a great pic.

Dude I loved UAF and hate the reboot and omniverse. You are not alone, don't let anyone make you think you are.

The Mcduffie era of Ben 10 was awesome, and honestly when I think of these characters thats what i see in my head.

@tactical-ochoa

I've never heard the brother sister thing either but hay I'm sure a bunch of stuff got tossed around before the show aired. I mean who caes what they through beforehand what aired is all that really matters.

Wow this makes me glad we got the shows we got. It like almost an accident we got what we did.

@csgt

I never said you were the one causing the E-drama.

@xlr8isbest

This is called E-drama do not let it effect you, trust me.

I hope this means its ending

OK lets try to get this thread back on track.

I don't think Gwevin failed, but Bwen would have taken more of a hit if Ben's love interests were more of a hit with fans. My favorite example of this. Kai " my relationship with ben is cannon " green. In every appearance except her last one in omniverse ( yea old DD just complimented omniverse ) did she had no chemistry at all. She just took advantage of him. Ring ring Ben its Kai Green I know we havent seen or spoken in 5-6 years but I need your help. . .. mind dropping everything crossing half the world so i can call you a fool half the episode? Thanks bye!

IF they made the viewers like Kai, people might day dream about ben keeping it in the family a bit less.

I can't believe anyone on that show wanted it to be ok for Ben to have romantic feelings for his cousin.