Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot

Tactical Ochoa · 31 Dec 2015, 03:31

@Omni-Triforcer Hopefully. Also, I mentioned on the Ben 10 Wiki how it's like what Brandon Storm9 stated about ghost writing with Man of Action on this reboot. To me, I see this as ghost designing.

Ultimate OmniTri · 31 Dec 2015, 03:33

yeah i saw that i also mentioned on the wiki how the gold could be a mistake and its actually supposed to be green who knows.

Tactical Ochoa · 31 Dec 2015, 03:36

@Omni-Triforcer I hope it gets better but considering how Cartoon Network is, I doubt it.

Ultimate OmniTri · 31 Dec 2015, 03:58

someone pointed out on the ben 10 englishboard forums that in af/ua the omnitrix/ultimatrix didnt adapt clothing to the aliens so maybe they took that function out of the omnitrix its a possibilitiy.

Tactical Ochoa · 31 Dec 2015, 04:04

@Omni-Triforcer Yeah, we saw that ourselves when we watched Alien Force and Ultimate Alien. Apparently, it was I believe because of the Omnitrix recalibrating itself (again, apparently) but I find that as another stupid aspect that the new writers changed and/or did. Like how the Omnitrix itself just somehow magically changed it's physical appearance with no reason as to the purpose why. Again, Dwayne McDuffie did state that he never watched the Original Series before he got to work on Alien Force.

Tactical Ochoa · 31 Dec 2015, 17:43

Come to think about it, I guess the design for the reboot Diamondhead is acceptable enough. I could be fine with this. His design just needs some improvements to it.

Ultimate OmniTri · 1 Jan 2016, 07:11

Well we are probably less then a year away from the reboot.

Tactical Ochoa · 1 Jan 2016, 12:59

@Omni-Triforcer Well see how it turns out.There are some good aspects to the image of Ben and Diamondhead that I did mention on the other page that admin made but overall, it's not bad but it's not good enough either. A lot of improvements needs to be made with the design of the reboot Ben and even the reboot Diamondhead. The quality on Ben is just lower than when we first saw him during the reboot announcements and, again, something just spells Omniverse with Diamondhead's design and appearance and that's not a good thing in my book. Plus, compared to what the Original Series had with the designs of Ben and Diamondhead, these reboot designs aren't even close to the quality of the Original Series designs and artwork. I'm just finally glad that we got something official from Cartoon Network at least, even if it's not good. We'll see what else comes out.

Tactical Ochoa · 10 Jan 2016, 03:04

Here is an update on this topic page. admin has posted two more pages that show leaked images of the designs for the reboot Diamondhead, Four Arms, and Cannonbolt. Here are the links to those pages. Big thanks to admin for posting them on the Ben 10 Club website. I also left my thoughts on these designs in the comments section of those pages.

http://ben10club.org/topic/35/diamondhead-reboot-design-leaked-and-more
http://ben10club.org/topic/38/cannonbolt-and-four-arms-designs-leaked

Ultimate OmniTri · 12 Jan 2016, 20:31

Ben 10 Reboot premieres october of this year in europe http://www.regularcapital.com/2016/01/cartoon-network-central-eastern-europe-2016-overview/#.VpVHQGnG40M.twitter

Tactical Ochoa · 12 Jan 2016, 20:54

@Omni-Triforcer Yeah, I saw the link. Thanks. Well, since that I live in the U.S. and October 2016 is the international release date, I'll either have to wait until the show is aired in early 2017 or look the reboot up online. I think I'd rather go for the second option. Either way, fingers cross because either this reboot would at least turn out good (I hope) or will end up being one of the worse shows on Cartoon Network since Teen Titans Go. I believe that it's the latter that's most likely going to happen but I'm hoping that the former happens instead. Thanks again for the info.

Ultimate OmniTri · 12 Jan 2016, 21:00

yeah i live in the us also and i will probably look the reboot up online out of anticipation of what its gonna be like.

Tactical Ochoa · 9 Feb 2016, 23:09

Ok so I thought that I would finally put in the time to give my thoughts and opinions on the leaked artwork images for the Ben 10 reboot. Better late than never at least. I'm going to start off with what I find to be good about the artwork and then state what I find to be bad about the artwork. This is also going to include the images of Diamondhead, Four Arms, and Cannonbolt from the calendar images as well.

Let's start with what's good about the artwork. First is Diamondhead and well, in the leaked artwork image of him, anyone can obviously see that he has the black and white color pattern instead of the black and yellow color pattern seen on the calendar cover. Still doesn't make sense since that the reboot Ben is wearing a green and black shirt but I stated on another page that I thought I saw a spike coming out of the top of Diamondhead's head. Fortunately, the leaked artwork image shows that that is not the case so thank god for that because that would have looked stupid on him. Four Arms and Cannonbolt are okay I guess but it still doesn't make sense as to why Four Arms is wearing Ben's Original Series shirt but again, I guess they're reboot designs are fine. What I do like about the reboot artwork is XLR8, Heatblast, and Grey Matter. They look just like the way they are supposed to look, which is great. I don't know why XLR8 has spikes on his back but that alien is fine enough for the reboot. I've heard some complaints about Grey Matter but I'm fine with his reboot design.

Now we get to the negative criticisms and...oh god, what did Cartoon Network do to this artwork or had their artists do because there is a lot of wrong here. Let's start with the new alien, Overflow. Oh wait a minute, Overflow isn't actually a new alien at all. Overflow is just a renamed and redesigned and much more powerful version of Water Hazard, which I've stated before a while back on another topic page. That is basically what Overflow really is. A much more powerful and redesigned version of Water Hazard. That's just really it. Oh and also, the name "Overflow" is the same name used for a fan made water alien that was made years back I believe before Alien Force even aired. Overflow has no originality to him and Cartoon Network is making the same mistake that they made with most of the aliens in the sequel shows where most of the sequel shows debuted aliens are shown to be incredibly powerful. Too powerful in fact. Overflow's armor does look pretty cool (although it does look like something that was made by Iron Man) but Overflow overall I don't like Overflow.

But wait, it get's even worse. Stinkfly, Wildvine, and Upgrade have been redesigned, in my opinion, into absolute garbage. Wildvine has been redesigned to have regular legs instead of the tentacle-like legs that helped give him that unique look. His more humanoid appearance just greatly damages the originality of Wildvine's design. In fact, I've noticed that some people had mistaken Wildvine's silhouette for Chromastone, which I agree is a bit of a problem. As for Upgrade, they made him colored purple. Not green as it's usually supposed to be but purple. I thought the yellow and black pattern on Diamondhead and Four Arms wearing Ben's Original Series shirt was confusing enough but a purple colored Upgrade? Why? Just...why? That doesn't make any sense at all because again, Ben is wearing a green and black shirt and green pants and the Omnitrix is designed to shape Ben's clothes and appearance to fit and suit his alien forms. There is nothing that Ben has on him that is purple. Even then, green is Ben's theme color. It's used to signify and identify him. Why is Upgrade purple? I hope that changes to green later on when the reboot premieres because it just looks really stupid on Upgrade and doesn't even suit and fit Ben. In my opinion though, Stinkfly's redesign for the reboot is the worse part of the artwork of them all. Stinkfly looks like a discount Big Chill and even Big Chill looks more alien than the reboot Stinkfly. Heck, like with Wildvine, I've noticed how some people had mistaken Stinkfly's silhouette for that of Big Chill. I couldn't even recognize the reboot Stinkfly as Stinkfly if the name wasn't on the leaked image of him and even then, I still can't recognize that alien as Stinkfly. Stinkfly doesn't even look that much like an alien. He looks more like a superhero. To me at least, he looks like crap. I'm not the only one that thinks so as well. I've noticed so much negative responses and criticisms from many fans of the series on the leaked artwork images and most of those criticisms were directed towards Stinkfly, Upgrade, Overflow, and Wildvine. These more humanoid looks and designs of Wildvine and Stinkfly just makes them look so unoriginal and generic and less unique and truly alien. Some people had noted the comparison of the reboot Stinkfly to the pre-production superhero version of Stinkfly from the Ben 10 Original Series. There's a reason why those designs were changed from a superhero look to an alien, less humanoid look. It adds to the originality and uniqueness of each of Ben's alien forms while also keeping Ben 10 from becoming too similar to another series known as "Dial H for Hero" plus whatever other reasons there are that I missed. I just don't like these redesigns of these aliens at all.

There is more to the artwork and that is the look of it overall. When I take a look at the leaked artwork for the Ben 10 reboot plus any other image of the reboot that is out there, it has that feel of Omniverse to it and I'm not the only one that noticed this. Heck, that's one of the criticisms that I've noticed from at least some fans when it comes to this artwork. It's likely because of how cartoonish it looks; especially when compared to the Original Series, which had elements of anime mixed into that show's art design. What makes the art design more concerning, at least for me, was how one or two people on Reddit pointed out some aspects of Teen Titans Go! in the artwork; especially when it came to the redesign of Max Tennyson, and I have to agree on that. It's not just Max either but Gwen as well and even Ben. There are certain aspects of the Ben 10 reboot artwork that does have that feel of Teen Titans Go!'s art style and design and it's most prominent in Ben, Gwen, and Max. Ben still looks like a 5-year-old despite the fact that he's supposed to be 10 in the reboot. Gwen doesn't look as young as Ben (at least as far as I know considering the poor resolution quality on the image of Gwen) but she still looks a little too young to be 10-years-old. Max's reboot design is resembles the artwork for Teen Titans Go! the most. Overall, I'm concerned as to how the human characters, and maybe even at least some of the alien characters, are going to be designed and portrayed in this reboot.

There are some good aspects about the reboot artwork but, in my opinion, the artwork overall is just pathetic. Or at the very least, it's decent or okay. I still say it's better than Omniverse's art design but the Original Series art design and style is still just so much better than the reboot art design in quality, originality and uniqueness, etc etc etc (I believe I already explained why the Original Series art design is great and why it suits Ben 10 so well). Much of the artwork needs to be redesigned again to have a much better look and quality to it because I believe this artwork for the reboot is not going to work here. This is most especially with at least some of the characters and aliens. Hell, just reuse Stinkfly's Original Series design. It looks absolutely better than the way Stinkfly looks like now for the reboot. There needs to be some, if not a lot, of changes and improvements that needs to be made here in order to make the artwork be much more suitable and fitting for Ben 10 and have much better quality because, again, I believe this current artwork is not going to work. This art design for the Ben 10 reboot is just so lazy and pathetic and unoriginal and something needs to be done to improve it greatly because a lot, if not most, of fans and viewers of the Ben 10 franchise are not happy about this. As I stated before, Cartoon Network needs to just step back and let Man of Action make the Ben 10 show the way they truly want to make it as in their own way without interfering at all with it. Again, there are some aspects of the Ben 10 reboot artwork that I like but there's just so much more that I don't like about the artwork that it just further concerns me as to how the reboot will turn out and not in a good way.

So there's my thoughts and opinions on the leaked artwork images of the Ben 10 reboot. If anyone else has their own thought and opinions on this, feel free to post a reply on here.

iamre · 27 Feb 2016, 19:04

guys please check out my petition to CN, thanks!
https://www.change.org/p/cartoon-network-dear-cartoon-network-bring-back-the-shows-with-quality?recruiter=497388956&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

Rexfan1333 · 27 Feb 2016, 20:04

@iamre I read your Petition and I agree with everything you said, I feel that CN is just trying to replicate all the shows that was a success and it's getting on my nerves. (it's only making CN look really bad at this point)

As for the Ben 10 reboot, I love the original series and the sequels (my favorite being Alien Force because the mature characters and character development), but I feel the Ben 10 reboot should happen because they can fix the some of the problems in the OS and make it better (even adding good things from the sequels) and the way CN is doing the reboot is to make money which is not right, I feel a reboot should happen, but done the right way and not for the toys.

Tactical Ochoa · 27 Feb 2016, 23:50

@iamre I agree with your petition and I'm glad that I'm not the only one here that is willing to launch an effort of their own and that's great because that's the type of stuff that I've been encouraging for other people to do. Honestly though, I don't know if a petition like that will work or at the very least be enough. Still, it's worth a try at least although I'd rather prefer for people to just contact CN directly through various different ways (which I did link on this page here) in order to get their arguments and opinions to CN as well as to get CN to listen to their viewers. I do agree with what your opinions and argument. CN really does need to change things around. I'm also willing to help out as well. I signed the petition and I do encourage others to support this petition as well as to share this petition around on the internet and social media if anyone is interested in participating in this effort.

Tactical Ochoa · 27 Feb 2016, 23:55

@Rexfan1333 Agree. That's why I said a while back that CN should instead take the approach for a reboot that acts as a sequel to the Original Series. To let Man of Action take the Ben 10 series down the route that they intended to take and done in the very way that they envisioned it as. It's a much better route to take than to make a reboot of the Original Series; especially in poor quality and just for the real and actual purpose of just selling more toys.

Rexfan1333 · 28 Feb 2016, 03:08

@Tactical-Ochoa Yeah, I really would like to see they improve the original series and have Ben grow better and mature him up faster (not too fast). I hope we see some characters like The Plumber Kids as well (they are awesome and hope we see them again), I also would love to have Ben not become famous because it just made it less fun, I love to see Ben realize that fame and attention is not important and helping others is more important.

Ultimate OmniTri · 10 Mar 2016, 02:07

Duncan Rouleau thinks the show is really coming together. https://twitter.com/rouleau1/status/707401004849836032

Tactical Ochoa · 10 Mar 2016, 02:28

@Omni-Triforcer Like I said in the Ben 10 Englishboard Forum site, the viewers will be the judge of that once the Ben 10 reboot comes out. If Duncan Rouleau said that the Ben 10 reboot will be good, it better damn well be good because that's quite a position that he's putting himself in. Especially considering people's views and expectations on the Ben 10 reboot, the PPG reboot, and all of Cartoon Network's other shows. Just saying.