Should Max die?

Tactical Ochoa · 15 Feb 2016, 00:21

@Rexfan1333 I'm not really sure about this idea. It does have a lot of potential though. I don't know if that'll ever happen on the show but I could see the reason why. There was one universe in Omniverse called Dimension 23 where Max died when Ben got the Omnitrix but it obviously wasn't tackled in the way you described it as.

Max's "death" in Alien Force was just done so bad though. In the Original Series, there was a lot of emotion put into Ben when he witnessed Max getting injured during his first encounter with Rojo and when Gwen was thought to be dead near the end of Secret of the Omnitrix. Those moments felt so impactful towards Ben. What do we get in Alien Force, though? Ben screaming the word "no" in a generic and cliche fashion when Max detonated that Null Void projector and that's all we got. Yeah, the new writers surely did a great job with that scene.

Rexfan1333 · 15 Feb 2016, 00:28

@Tactical-Ochoa Yeah, I feel that MOA wanted Max to die (I could be wrong, but who knows they really wanted), and that Hero Generation was only going to have Ben and Gwen as the main characters with either Max already dead of was killed by someone in battle with the next generation taking over. It sucks CN probably won't do it, they don't need to show blood or anything graphic. (I feel CN is so watered down now, they weren't afraid to be realistic back then)

car54 · 15 Feb 2016, 00:34

@Rexfan1333 A great idea. we know that a 10 year old Ben would be lost without Max but an older Ben would have to take his grandfathers place...all while dealing with the loss. It could be a great way to begin "Hero Generation"

car54 · 15 Feb 2016, 00:35

@Rexfan1333 If you're going to do a fic let me know. If not I may try it.

Rexfan1333 · 15 Feb 2016, 00:39

@car54 it's better to have older Ben take over for Max, he still the same Ben (fun loving and slightly impulsive), but more experienced and smarter.

Rexfan1333 · 15 Feb 2016, 00:39

@car54 I'm fine with you writing it.

car54 · 15 Feb 2016, 00:40

@Rexfan1333 Yes just what I had in mind.

car54 · 15 Feb 2016, 00:41

@Rexfan1333 Thanks, I'll add it to the list.....That list is getting long.

Rexfan1333 · 15 Feb 2016, 00:52

@car54 No problem and can't wait to see it.

Tactical Ochoa · 15 Feb 2016, 00:56

@Rexfan1333 Ehhhhh, I don't think MOA wanted Max to die that soon in Hero Generation. I mean like Max does live in the future when Ben became Ben 10,000. Maybe if a Ken 10 series ever happens, that would be a good time to kill off Max. I know what you mean with CN being so watered down nowadays. I mean like heck, I recently discovered that the original Powerpuff Girls show actually had blood in it. I'm surprised that I didn't realize that back when the show aired. Then again, I was pretty young when PPG was around.

car54 · 15 Feb 2016, 01:01

@Tactical-Ochoa Since they acknowledge the existence of alternate universes I don't see why they won't let fans see a little of some of them. The even tried to retcon two AU stories (Ben 10,000 and Ken 10) to fit the main story line.

Rexfan1333 · 15 Feb 2016, 01:03

@Tactical-Ochoa Yeah, Max is a badass for living that long (one of the reasons I like Max Tennyson), but having him die when Ben's is older just seems to work for me though because Ben can take over and mature (I like tragic characters), besides Max doesn't really do much in the sequels (don't get me wrong, but they don't seem to need him anymore, I'm all in for Max getting hurt really bad and has to retire as well)

car54 · 15 Feb 2016, 01:03

@Rexfan1333 Okay I'll get to it as soon as I can.

Tactical Ochoa · 15 Feb 2016, 01:09

@car54 Well yeah, CN did acknowledge alternate universes but that was in the sequels What about Man of Action and Ben 10 Hero Generation? Would MOA acknowledge alternate universes in their version of Ben 10? Well maybe but still.

Tactical Ochoa · 15 Feb 2016, 01:15

@Rexfan1333 Speaking of fan fiction, had you started reading Little Moments and Breaking Point yet?

Rexfan1333 · 15 Feb 2016, 01:17

@Tactical-Ochoa I started Little Moments and it's really good, I like the character development between them as well. I'm on chapter 11 already, I haven't started Breaking Point yet though.

Tactical Ochoa · 15 Feb 2016, 01:27

@Rexfan1333 Well actually, Breaking Point is the sequel to Little Moments so you should wait on Breaking Point until after you finish reading Little Moments. Also, Breaking Point is currently unfinished. The author hasn't updated it for quite a few years but is hopefully trying to get back into finishing it up. Anyways, glad you like it so far.

car54 · 15 Feb 2016, 01:45

@Tactical-Ochoa Finishing it? Great. I thought it was like so many good bwen stories that have been abandoned.

Tactical Ochoa · 15 Feb 2016, 01:52

@car54 Well trying to finish it or really try to get into finishing it. The author also discussed possibly doing some rewrites of some of the chapters as well. I'm hoping that the author does get back into finishing Breaking Point because that story really does deserve to be finished. I've even noticed how more recent reviews of Breaking Point had people saying that they hope Breaking Point gets finished. Either way, again, I hope the author decides to get back into finishing up Breaking Point.

car54 · 15 Feb 2016, 01:58

@Tactical-Ochoa Yes that was an awful way to leave it.
So many stories that deserve a conclusion but the writers are gone.