Ben 10 could be great in another companies hands.
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How are you planning on convincing them?
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@Omni-Triforcer Well, I'm going to keep messaging them to read my article and my "Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot" topic page until I get a response. I'm also trying to build up support from other fans to also get the message out to Cartoon Network. I already made my persuasive argument; I just need to get CN to read it and understand the problems, consequences, and damages that they're going to face by making this reboot.
With the help of admin and the Ben 10 Club, I managed to get a response from Man of Action basically saying that they agree with my argument and thoughts on the Ben 10 Reboot. Someone from Man of Action read my works and responded back saying "If we only could…" which, to admin and I, means that Man of Action agrees with me.
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So basically you want them to stop making the reboot?
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@Omni-Triforcer Pretty much yes. I do like the approach to making a reboot for the Ben 10 series because the sequels were just disappointing and filled with so many problems and flaws. Basically, I find that a reboot is indeed necessary. Give the series a chance to go down the path that it was intended to go; especially intended by Man of Action. Correct the mistakes that were made. Help make things right and give the series the justice, quality, and direction that it needs. After all, it is a major reason for any series to have a reboot when necessary.
However, I don't like the approach to reboot the Ben 10 Original Series. In fact, I greatly disagree with it. I explain everything in very great depth and detail on my topic page but basically, it's very much, if not completely, unnecessary to make a reboot/remake of a show that is already so great. While the Original Series isn't perfect, it most definitely did everything right. Also, the stakes are just too high. All I can say with this is that if Cartoon Network wants to make a reboot of the Original Series, they better damn well impress. To me, this reboot must be an improvement over the Original Series and must prove to deliver on a level that is either equal to or higher than the Original Series. Probably a little too much there on my argument but Ben 10 fans are certainly not going to accept a reboot of the Original Series that is worse than the Original Series. There are also just too many factors that works against this current reboot that the risk is just not worth the reward to me. Most fans are already criticizing the reboot for the artwork and are also calling out Cartoon Network's BS, stating that the real reason for the reboot is just to cash in on the series again, which I greatly agree with and I find to be very much true considering that soon after the reboot was announced, the toy line for the Ben 10 reboot was announced as well and this early too. Finally, I just don't trust Cartoon Network at all on working on this reboot. Like we both said, they didn't give the Ben 10 series justice and they created more problems with the Ben 10 series than good ever since Cartoon Network took Ben 10 away from Man of Action and replaced MOA with new writers. Based on my analysis and thinking on everything that I mentioned plus whatever else that I missed on mentioning, to me, it's most likely, if not guaranteed, that this current Ben 10 reboot will fail or not deliver enough and will thus cause more harm and damage to the Ben 10 series than good.
My approach is to give Man of Action full control of the Ben 10 series again and let them make the Ben 10 show that they truly want to make. Man of Action's sequel to the Original Series was called Ben 10 Hero Generation but Cartoon Network had disagreements with it and thus led to, for some reason, CN taking Ben 10 away from MOA. I'd say let Man of Action reboot the Ben 10 sequels and/or let Man of Action make Ben 10 Hero Generation. Reboot the sequels and take the Ben 10 series down the path that it was intended and supposed to take. Make the sequel to the Original Series that we were supposed to get.
I even read a Ben 10 fan fiction series that did a much better job at being a sequel to the Original Series than Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse combined. Just goes to show that Cartoon Network is unsuitable and incapable of making a Ben 10 show that is actually great to watch.
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I completely agree with everything you are saying i just wish i could help convince them.
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@Omni-Triforcer Well, you can give it a try. I'm encouraging anyone that reads my works discussing the Ben 10 Reboot to share my article and topic page all over the internet and on various social media websites to help build up supporters. I'm also encouraging anyone to go and contact Man of Action and Cartoon Network and send them the very message that I'm sending out and to keep repeating that same message over and over to get their attention. Just keep speaking up and don't let off on it because that's what Cartoon Network wants: silence. You can join in and help out if you want to. I'm constantly messaging Cartoon Network trying to convince them not to make this reboot and let Man of Action make the Ben 10 show that they truly want to make and I'm not letting off until I get an ideal response back from them.
If you do decide to try and share my discussion works around, do try to do so on the Ben 10 Wiki though. The admins get on my goddamn case about it so it's just not worth it to post my works on that wiki page. Anyways, yeah, the more support we get, the better of a chance we have at pulling this off.
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@Omni-Triforcer Hmmm. What about a Japanese anime network company? Or maybe have Man of Action work on Ben 10 with some network distributors such as Crunchyroll, Funimation Entertainment, Hulu, or Netflix? I'm thinking of how if Man of Action could possibly get the Ben 10 series back from Cartoon Network, which network company would give them more freedom and control over the series and what came to mind was Japanese anime networks and/or network distributor companies such as what I listed above. I think it would give Man of Action the freedom and control that they need to make the Ben 10 show in their own vision.
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seriously!!! just give it a chance! you have not even seen any trailers for it! Much less any episodes!
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@chronosapien234 For the most or some part, I don't need to watch the show nor even watch any trailers on the Ben 10 Reboot. I've seen how Cartoon Network had treated the Ben 10 series after they took it away from Man of Action and replaced MOA with new writers. I've seen what Cartoon Network had done in recent years. I'm well aware of the BS that Cartoon Network is trying to pull off here with this reboot. I base my opinions and predictions on the Ben 10 Reboot on the history of Cartoon Network and the Ben 10 series plus any information that we know so far on the reboot and whatever else that I missed mentioning. Therefore, in my opinion, I believe that this reboot is most likely, maybe even guaranteed, going to fail and/or not deliver on the level that the Original Series delivered on. That this reboot is more likely going to cause more harm and damage to the Ben 10 series than good. Based on my analysis of the very points that I mentioned, that is my opinion and prediction on the Ben 10 Reboot.
Saying that I haven't watched any episodes and trailers on the Ben 10 Reboot is like someone saying to me that I haven't even played the next new Call of Duty game. Is it an unfair comparison? Maybe. After all, each new entry into the Call of Duty series is basically just the same game as the last entry filled to the brim with gimmicks just to look more appealing yet end up making very little improvements, if not none at all, while each new Ben 10 show does at least try to change things up to try and make it more interesting and refreshing, even though Cartoon Network ended up making too many changes to the series with those very changes only ending up making the show more generic and unoriginal. They're two very different series. However, when it comes to Cartoon Network and Activision and the way that they treat their top franchises, that's where the comparisons come in at. I don't trust Cartoon Network (and maybe their production studios teams) with the Ben 10 series anymore just as much as I don't trust Activision and their game studios teams with the Call of Duty series anymore because these two companies focus more on taking these very successful and great franchises, that still have a lot of potential that these companies still haven't taken advantage and great use of, and just exploit and poorly and lazily treat them just mostly or mainly for the purpose of cashing in on the very names of those franchises. If anyone disagrees with my comparison, I understand and I am fine with that. This is just my take on this.
Here is one thing that I really hope for with this reboot. I am willing to give this reboot a chance because at least Man of Action are back and are working as the Executive Producers, although I don't think that's enough for this reboot. After all, I still got that notice from the Ben 10 Club saying that someone from Man of Action did respond to my article and topic page saying "If we only could…", likely implying that Man of Action does agree with my thoughts and arguments on this reboot. At least that's what the Ben 10 Club and I believe that response means to us. Regardless, I hope that my prediction is wrong. I hope that this reboot does turn out great. If this reboot does turn out great and proves my argument wrong, I will be godforsaken happy for that. After all, I don't want another crappy Ben 10 show and neither does the rest of the Ben 10 fan base. So yeah, I hope I'm wrong here.
I'll be willing to give this reboot a chance but regardless, I don't have any faith in it and my "Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot" topic page explains everything to great detail as to why.
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@chronosapien234 I am absolutely gonna give it a try and hopefully i will like it but i just don't like how cartoon network is treating not just ben 10 but all action shows its like they are trying to wipe out all action shows and that i don't like while i don't want the reboot to be cancelled because if they do that we may never get ben 10 again i just want cn to treat ben 10 how they used to i remember when ben 10 used to be their biggest show now its probably at the bottom because they barely promote it anymore i mean just look at omniverse they were just rushing out episodes without even a trailer for the final episode. Either way can't wait for this reboot and to see ben 10 in action again.
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THANKyou @Omni-Triforcer
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@Omni-Triforcer Teen Titans, Young Justice, and Symbionic Titans being examples of Cartoon Network taking action shows away. I don't watch shows such as We Bare Bears and Steven Universe and I would understand if they really are great shows but I'm getting so tired of Cartoon Network going for more comedic and more colorful and positive approaches to their shows. It's fine if they want to do that but there's just too much of that on their channel. Freshen it up for once. Go for dark and gritty or pure action or try horror or something. Do something that is new and refreshing and/or not that common on the channel. Mix up the genre's for once.
I certainly don't want Ben 10 to end yet and I don't want a Ben 10 Reboot to be cancelled. To me and at least some or most fans of the series, we just want Cartoon Network to have a better approach for the Ben 10 series and give the series the treatment and justice that it so very much needs and deserves. Scrap this current reboot and reboot the Ben 10 sequels instead as well as just give Man of Action the true freedom and control that they need to make the Ben 10 show that they truly want to make.
The claimed reason for wanting to make the reboot shows that this reboot is just unnecessary. Cartoon Network claims that they want to make a reboot to introduce the "new generation of kids" to the Ben 10 series. To introduce kids that haven't seen Ben 10 yet to this series. Well here's the thing, Omniverse finished its eighth and last season seven months before the reboot was officially announced and I believe that somewhere around the end of Omniverse there was word of a reboot being planned for Ben 10. Even now, Ben 10 is still fresh within pretty much everyone's minds because of Omniverse. The "new generation of kids" already got introduced to Ben 10 through Omniverse. Joe Kelly of MOA had an interview on the Movie Plot website and stated that there are still a lot of kids that haven't seen Ben 10 yet and that's why the reboot is being made. Well the thing is that almost every kids, if not every kid, that watches CN already got introduced to the Ben 10 series through watching Omniverse so if that claim really is true, then they're making a show for a very small and specific demographic. At least that's what I believe. To introduce newcomers to the show, a much better and more rewarding approach would be to do a marathon of the Original Series to promote the reboot and to introduce the series to any newcomers that haven't seen Ben 10. That's what AMC did with every new season of the Walking Dead, after all. I feel like I should mention this point to Joe Kelly on Twitter and Cartoon Network just to try and convince them any further as to how pointless and unnecessary making this current reboot really is; especially considering the better and more rewarding alternatives.
Sorry if this got off topic, by the way. I'm still interested on what you think about with my ideas for the companies that could likely treat the Ben 10 series better than Cartoon Network. Anyways, I'll give the reboot a chance but I just don't have faith in it.
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@Tactical-Ochoa said:
@Omni-Triforcer Teen Titans, Young Justice, and Symbionic Titans being examples of Cartoon Network taking action shows away. I don't watch shows such as We Bare Bears and Steven Universe and I would understand if they really are great shows but I'm getting so tired of Cartoon Network going for more comedic and more colorful and positive approaches to their shows. It's fine if they want to do that but there's just too much of that on their channel. Freshen it up for once. Go for dark and gritty or pure action or try horror or something. Do something that is new and refreshing and/or not that common on the channel. Mix up the genre's for once.
I certainly don't want Ben 10 to end yet and I don't want a Ben 10 Reboot to be cancelled. To me and at least some or most fans of the series, we just want Cartoon Network to have a better approach for the Ben 10 series and give the series the treatment and justice that it so very much needs and deserves. Scrap this current reboot and reboot the Ben 10 sequels instead as well as just give Man of Action the true freedom and control that they need to make the Ben 10 show that they truly want to make.
The claimed reason for wanting to make the reboot shows that this reboot is just unnecessary. Cartoon Network claims that they want to make a reboot to introduce the "new generation of kids" to the Ben 10 series. To introduce kids that haven't seen Ben 10 yet to this series. Well here's the thing, Omniverse finished its eighth and last season seven months before the reboot was officially announced and I believe that somewhere around the end of Omniverse there was word of a reboot being planned for Ben 10. Even now, Ben 10 is still fresh within pretty much everyone's minds because of Omniverse. The "new generation of kids" already got introduced to Ben 10 through Omniverse. Joe Kelly of MOA had an interview on the Movie Plot website and stated that there are still a lot of kids that haven't seen Ben 10 yet and that's why the reboot is being made. Well the thing is that almost every kids, if not every kid, that watches CN already got introduced to the Ben 10 series through watching Omniverse so if that claim really is true, then they're making a show for a very small and specific demographic. At least that's what I believe. To introduce newcomers to the show, a much better and more rewarding approach would be to do a marathon of the Original Series to promote the reboot and to introduce the series to any newcomers that haven't seen Ben 10. That's what AMC did with every new season of the Walking Dead, after all. I feel like I should mention this point to Joe Kelly on Twitter and Cartoon Network just to try and convince them any further as to how pointless and unnecessary making this current reboot really is; especially considering the better and more rewarding alternatives.
Sorry if this got off topic, by the way. I'm still interested on what you think about with my ideas for the companies that could likely treat the Ben 10 series better than Cartoon Network. Anyways, I'll give the reboot a chance but I just don't have faith in it.
I agree with this but i don't want them to cancel the reboot like you do.
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@Omni-Triforcer I did state in the first sentence of my second paragraph that I don;t want the Ben 10 series to end yet and I don't want a Ben 10 Reboot to be cancelled. Now yeah, I did say that they should scrap the current reboot but I also said that CN and MOA should reboot the Ben 10 sequels instead. I do want a reboot to happen for the Ben 10 series but I don't want this current reboot and neither do many, if not most, fans of the series. I'm just suggesting what the better, more favorable, and more rewarding approach would be. At least that's my suggestion. So yeah, I don't want CN to cancel the Ben 10 Reboot but I do want them to at least think and go for a different yet much better approach for the reboot. That's what I want them to do.
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@Tactical-Ochoa Eh i do want that to but im willing to give the reboot and chance and lets face it its all we got and cn is never gonna change their ways.
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@Omni-Triforcer Well, if that's what you want to do, I'm fine with that. Me, however, I'm not just going to sit around and do nothing while Cartoon Network possibly further damages and/or destroys another great series. I'm going to at least try and get Cartoon Network to understand the problems that they are facing and if I failed, at least I tried. CN will change their ways if their audience tells and demands them to do so. There are two videos (one by AlpheOmegaSin and one by Jim Sterling) that I put on my "Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot" topic page as references to further show the importance of speaking up and continuing to do so. That's what I'm doing right now. I'm speaking up and hopefully I'm building up supporters that are willing to speak up as well. That's why I said that you should at least try to convince Cartoon Network of the problems with the reboot. If people want to do so, then I would greatly encourage and recommend them to speak up and demand that Cartoon Network stop their BS and start doing things that their audience wants from them because that is how we can get them to change their ways. If Cartoon Network doesn't do what their audience wants them to do, then eventually, they're going to pay the price for it and their audience and viewers are going to stop supporting them. Cartoon Network won't last long if they don't have a large enough audience to keep their company and channel running. All I can say is that if you don't like what Cartoon Network is doing, then I highly recommend and encourage that you tell them that and you along with many other viewers and fans keep demanding Cartoon Network to change themselves for the better. That is how we can solve this problem. CN will change their ways if enough people keep demanding that they do so. You don't have to do this. It's all up to you but this problem will keep continuing if people don't speak up and this method has succeeded in the past with other companies and companies that decide not to listen to their consumers and decide not to do what their consumers want from them have paid the consequences for doing so.
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@Omni-Triforcer love the idea of DC comics doing the series. It would be a possibility of a Ben 10/Teen Titans crossover.
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@Rexfan1333 ok now i need that
