Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot
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@Omni-Triforcer Just because the reboot will have more action than comedy is not going to be enough. There's more that needs to be done as well. Story, character development, setting, etc. Most of this can be hampered by length. Just because there's more action than comedy doesn't mean that it will turn out great. Alien Force and Ultimate Alien is my example of that and I already discussed the many issues that those shows had.
Not only that but no this is not because kids like shorter content. I'm sorry for the language but this is typical Cartoon Network bullshit. Cartoon Network is just being lazy and cheap here. 11 minutes is the same length for each episode of Teen Titans Go as well. I don't think it even matters if this reboot is more action oriented. If Cartoon Network makes this reboot more like TTG, we got ourselves a very serious and bad problem here.
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@Tactical-Ochoa said:
@Omni-Triforcer Just because the reboot will have more action than comedy is not going to be enough. There's more that needs to be done as well. Story, character development, setting, etc. Most of this can be hampered by length. Just because there's more action than comedy doesn't mean that it will turn out great. Alien Force and Ultimate Alien is my example of that and I already discussed the many issues that those shows had.
Not only that but no this is not because kids like shorter content. I'm sorry for the language but this is typical Cartoon Network bullshit. Cartoon Network is just being lazy and cheap here. 11 minutes is the same length for each episode of Teen Titans Go as well. I don't think it even matters if this reboot is more action oriented. If Cartoon Network makes this reboot more like TTG, we got ourselves a very serious and bad problem here.
Wow its funny how some people have completely different reactions not to say either of you are wrong another person has said that the show being 11 minutes does not mean it will turn out like ttg and there have been many action shows that were 11 minutes i have hope that this show will be good and i will watch but i definitely agree this isnt looking good.
10 Years Of Hero Time!!!!
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@Omni-Triforcer Yeah, I know but still, people are getting really freakin tired of CN doing stuff like this. It may not likely be like TTG but it does feel like it to me and I don't like that at all.
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Yeah i just really hope the show surprises and is better then im expecting to be. That in mind Duncan Rouleau has stated that he thinks older ben 10 fans will like the reboot.
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@Omni-Triforcer I'm honestly doubting that.
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does anyone actually know if this is a reliable source? http://anmtv.xpg.uol.com.br/cartoon-network-planos-para-2016/
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@Omni-Triforcer I just sent Rouleau a tweet about that. I'll have to wait until I get a response back, which may take a while.
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w0w we both had the same idea i sent a tweet to lets see which person he responds to.
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@Omni-Triforcer Lol.
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I am making this post as an update for this page. Considering the recent information about the Ben 10 Reboot in regards to the run time lengths for each episode, admin made a discussion page about this very info, where I left my opinions and criticisms about the 11 minute length for the reboot's episodes. I'm including those very opinions and criticisms to my main argument by posting link to that very discussion page. If anyone is interested in reading and/or participating on that page, here's the link to it.
http://ben10club.org/topic/31/11-minute-episodes-for-real/2
Thanks to admin for setting up the discussion page as well as leaving a link to my "Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot" page that he left a link to.
Overall, 11 minutes is way too short and if this info really is true, then this is just another example of Cartoon Network being lazy and cheap and that is very much unacceptable for this reboot.
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This is a reminder that I am still encouraging anyone who does agree with my arguments and ideas to share this topic page all over the internet and social media to help gather up more supporters to convince Cartoon Network to take a better direction for the Ben 10 Reboot and to let Man of Action have the creative freedom and control that they need to make the Ben 10 show that they truly want to make. I am also encouraging anyone that wants to support my arguments and ideas to contact Man of Action and Cartoon Network and attempt to convince them to take that better direction that I'm arguing for and to put some real effort in to make an actual and great Ben 10 show. To not only contact Cartoon Network and Man of Action but to continuously repeat that message to them two to four times a week for every week. There is still a good chance that this effort can be pulled off if we gather enough support from fans of the Ben 10 series. Here are the contact links again that anyone can use to contact Cartoon Network and Man of Action.
Man of Action:
https://twitter.com/ManOfActionEnt
[email protected]Cartoon Network:
https://twitter.com/cartoonnetwork
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/feedback/index.htmlI will also be adding the Twitter pages of Duncan Rouleau and Joe Kelly as additional means of contacting Man of Action.
Duncan Rouleau:
https://twitter.com/rouleau1Joe Kelly:
https://twitter.com/joekellymoaHere is also a link to a Yellow Page website page that contains information about Cartoon Network Studios, the production team working on the Ben 10 Reboot. This includes their phone number and business email address. If anyone wants to try and contact CN Studios, then I guess you can try using this link as well. I believe it should be a suitable link to use and hopefully could work for trying to contact CN Studios and discuss the Ben 10 Reboot with them as well.
Cartoon Network Studios:
http://www.yellowpages.com/burbank-ca/mip/cartoon-network-studios-6849694# -
There were quite a few times where I criticize and argue why making the reboot is unnecessary based off of Cartoon Network's claim that they want to introduce the Ben 10 series to the "new generation of kids." Well, here's another reason that supports this argument even further. Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and AmazonPrime, Crackle, and even YouTube allow legal streaming of various movies and TV shows and that includes Ben 10. Anyone can go onto these websites and gain access to and watch these very shows. Including the "new generation of kids."
Here is another thing about this reboot. Apparently, CN also wants to structure this reboot to cater to the "new generation of kids" as well. To "modernize" Ben 10. That's not necessary to do here. CN doesn't need to cater their shows to a certain and specific demographic in order to attract viewers. Just focus on making a great show. Put some originality and/or creativity in to these shows. Ben 10 is a work of fiction so not everything needs to match today's real life. An example of not needing to "modernize" a series is the recent 2015 Charlie Brown/Peanuts film, "The Peanuts Movie." By the time this gets posted, I haven't seen the film myself but I have heard a lot about it such as how this film greatly replicates Charles Schultz's series of the same name. Managing to greatly replicate the style and setting of Peanuts and delivering a great level of nostalgia for adults that grew up with this series while also being able to teach kids about stuff like going outside and being active or something while also entertaining them and keeping them engaged. What about 2014's "The Lego Movie"? A great film with a great story and just amazingly ridiculous comedy that very strongly relates to kids and adults just because of how much they have been into legos and shows off the amazing creativity that anyone could have and demonstrate. These two of many films are prominent examples that Cartoon Network doesn't need to structure their shows, including Ben 10, to cater to a specific demographic and that it's better to just incorporate unique styles and settings into their shows and just focus on making something that is just great and entertaining and engaging to watch by many. And it doesn't have to be designed just for kids. This goes for the Ben 10 reboot and series as well.
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Tell cn that they think all kids want is comedy and when i was a kid while i did like comedy i also wanted action i dont see how kids could change that much.
10 Years Of Hero Time!!!!
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@Omni-Triforcer Kids are kids. They'll pretty much like almost anything just as long as it look cool and/or fun or anything else that I missed. Not a lot of kids know of the importance of story, setting, character development, structure, design, etc. That's why a lot of kids would do stuff like buy Call of Duty games. It looks cool to them and that's it. Kids don't know better, which ticks me off even more when companies like Activision and Cartoon Network use that as an exploit to gain more profits by catering to kids, even though they can get a lot more off of making shows and games and other stuff when it caters to pretty much anyone: kids, teens, and adults. The Ben 10 Original Series being an example of that and the same goes for Teen Titans, Symbiotic Titans, Samurai Jack, Generator Rex, Young Justice, etc. Focusing on captivating kids, teens, and adults is much more rewarding than just catering to kids.
I know what you mean too. I remember just loving Star Wars The Phantom Menace when I was a kid. Now I look back at it again today and god it is just crap. Same for Attack of the Clones. Revenge of the Sith was better but still had a lot of issues. The Star Wars Original Trilogy still remains amazing though because they are just much better made films.
Again, in actuality, kids will like anything as long as it entertains them. That's a major reason why I find Cartoon Network's claims for making the reboot in certain ways because kids prefer that more is total BS. Like the 11 minute episodes for the Ben 10 Reboot. It's total BS when Cartoon Network states that this was done because kids like shorter content. Uh no, kids won't mind about how long each episode is just as long as they are entertained and having fun watching it. 11 minutes, half a hour, a full hour, 2 hours, etc. It doesn't matter to them just as long as they are having fun watching the show. Cartoon Network, as I stated before, is just being cheap and lazy.
You know what, next time I try to contact Cartoon Network, I'll let them know about that.
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@Omni-Triforcer Well, there's another set of argument points that were discussed. I swear, every time I ever think that I've discussed everything that I wanted and needed to discuss about this reboot and the Ben 10 series, more discussion and argument points end up popping up later on that needed to be covered. Always makes me chuckle.
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I think they did shorter episodes because the attention span of kids is the same level as the amount that cn cares about the actual concept, they are both very very very very very small
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@chronosapien234 Ha, oh please, kids have a much much better attention span than that. That is just what Cartoon Network thinks. Or at the very least that's what Cartoon Network wants their audience to think.
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confirmed paul eiding not voicing grandpa max in the reboot. https://twitter.com/4pauleiding/status/681172960325926912
10 Years Of Hero Time!!!!
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@Omni-Triforcer And this sums up my reaction to it.
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Man of action says they are very involved in the reboot. My Faith is restored in it. https://twitter.com/rouleau1/status/681740188733706240
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