SAMURAI JACK WASN'T EVEN A REBOOT ANDREW
IT WAS A 5TH SEASON TO CONCLUDE THE SERIES!
And they literally explained why he acted the way he did and it was because of a 50 year gap that drove him insane of not aging or anything, and the season finale was like that because you can only do so much in 10 episodes.
I know this is a lil off topic but Merry Christmas!
@Omni-Triforcer said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
@jondennison72 said in Addressing the Ben 10 Reboot Part 3: Show/Episode Discussions:
By the way when gonna show the whole new Ben 10 Reboot episodes "Villain Time" "Recipe For Disaster and "All Wet" aired on KissCartoon.se YouTube.com or maybe on dailymotion.com soon?
We don't know dude. When they know we will for sure post it here.
Like seriously, we get it, you want to see the episodes, literally every comment is like "I can't wait for (THIS)", we all can't wait too but even then, hang on bro, we still got a long wait going.
so with Episodes 28-30 out, I gotta say:
Episode 28 was good, decent plot, Grey Matter with a bandanna was just... yes... and he finally got a proper sequence unlike that Take 10 BS
Episode 29 actually let us learn more about Animo's background which hasn't been established since OS, to me Episode 29 gives me a lot of ideas for future stuff, but I think that's the last we'll see of Animo this season. However the only thing I'm annoyed is Episode 27 and 29 have the same 2 aliens, its just flip-flopped for transformation sequences, like that seriously felt lazy, but then again this happened in AF three times so I'm not surprised (Pet Project, Grounded, Inside Man)
Episode 30 I was kinda hoping for more things to happen since after all, this is a Steam Smythe episode. Also with what I've noticed, XLR8 is in all of Steam Smythe's episodes so far?
We only got 10 more episodes of the series left before ANY announcement of the next season, but I'm assuming its already happening considering they pulled the same stunt with PPG this season, it's probably gonna really backfire for the American audience, but I think other audiences are gonna be into this. The main reason I say this is because its mainly hated by the US audience because "its just another reboot" and:
Reboot Hater 1: We have to hate all reboots it's not good
Reboot Hater 2: QUALITY OVER QUANITITY (true)
Reboot Hater 3: I'M A DIE HARD OS OR AF FAN AND ONLY THOSE SHOWS ARE GOOD. (sorry if this offends some people)
I mean I get it, you hate it, and it's not just because of that why I say it won't do well here, but with the more people trashing it, kids would feel embarrassed to be into Ben 10 and are probably gonna be scared that they'll make fun of em for it, just for liking it, thus most will not watch it. So it all depends on the international audience whether we get more episodes or not, and personally I don't mind just as long as we start a plot to the series, otherwise Show 6 (only its good) please?
Sorry to ramble on about this again, its just I knew if I said this, I would have to back it up by saying this once more, again sorry, but what are your guys' thoughts?
Just got a couple of the Reboot figures:
Why is that a good idea? That won't convince CN to do anything, all it will do is to cancel and end Ben 10 all together, is that really what you want guys?
I mean this is a site for if you like Ben 10, not hate on it, even if you grown too old for it and think dishing it out will make you popular like its some kind of trend. The more this is kept up, the more not only will it convince people to not watch the show but it will continue to convince CN to stop making Ben 10, and that won't give you the episodes or shows you guys desire.
This is a show made for kids, not to mention its kick us out for newer kids and younger tweens, and the more you keep this up, the more we might not even get a second generation. That's why we even had a two year hiatus, its because Ben 10, despite the fact its a franchise that should be for all ages, its targetted for kids.
All Cartoon Network wants is Comedy, just like Disney with Sitcoms, and Nickelodeon taking over your shows just to turn them into crap. And that sadly will never change til a lot of people are fired and a newer generation of people take charge for the next generation of shows, but that won't happen now, especially since people from the 70s-80s and very early 90s are making shows right now, and some of them don't have any idea what they're doing, they're just using this is as a business so that they can merchandise/get more money.
Cartoon Network hates action shows for crying out loud, I mean you've seen the treatment, and they're using it on Steven Universe right now because that's the only thing left aside Transformers: RID. Right now anything that's action on CN is screwed and that also will never change, so until Ben 10 is bought out to someone else, we're stuck with Ben 10 forever being comedies, no matter how many sequels we want.
But that isn't the case at the moment, the point is, why would you get rid of something you love in fact, what is the whole point of this website anyway. Its for Ben 10, the love for all series, even some you don't like more than others, because the more you push your hate for Ben 10, the more it gets worse like the Reboot you guys asked for 4 years ago, and the more you won't ever get another series ever again, that's why people even make fun of it now, cause nobody has any hopes for Ben 10 and they think of it as a laughing stock, honestly that isn't even mature to do.
If you hate Ben 10, go ahead, its not the show for you, but that doesn't mean you have to shove in everybody's face how much you only like one show and hate the others, or that you think Ben 10 is terrible, Ben 10 won't ever be like the original, and the more you convince them to do it, the more it gets worse, and not only that, you shouldn't even be demanding for another show like the original because we keep getting crap like this ever since Ultimate Alien, and that's why it died down like this, because kids aren't going to buy merchandise from a show that isn't the kind of thing they would watch, because it was being made for us because we were watching them get older, just like we were, and people our age don't mainly buy stuff like that anymore, especially from a franchise that was just starting out back then. The toys died down because it was a show being made for teens/adults, then the show tried to interact with kids by creating Omniverse, so they can make a sequel and be for kids, which failed miserably because it was both a sequel and it was hated by over-exaggerated reasons (Rook, No Gwevin, and Art Style) WHICH WASN'T EVEN THAT BAD, HELL IT IMPROVED THE BACKGROUND DESIGNING AND COLORS, and all people back then only cared about Gwevin, and rarely the aliens which honestly was stupid -_-. Then the Reboot happens and all of you won't shut up about how bad you think it is, who knows, maybe some people like it and they aren't even have a website like this to go to yet. I mean yes, even I can agree its not all that great, but it might be great to some people, and the more you guys outlash it like that, despite your respectful opinions, the more we won't even have a fanbase anymore, that's why there's a limited amount of websites for Ben 10 left. Because there's only this and BTFF, and Ben10toys.net died right after Omniverse and I feel bad for the guy that owns it because he's the only one who's trying to keep a site like that alive.
Cartoon Network right now went from a channel for anyone to 6-12, and so did Ben 10, and so did every show that's on this channel right now. Until CN fires a lot of the bad people, and the president and scheduling guy atm (who were hired in 2014) step down, then we're not going anywhere from here, understand?
Ben 10 won't change, even when we tell them to, it won't change til its removed from Cartoon Network, or they finally wake up and see that they need to go back to the route they were on before 2007, hell before 2012. The only good things that have happened since then are Toonami and Samurai Jack coming back, and Steven Universe. Meanwhile Adventure Time and Regular Show died down because despite how good they were, people stopped caring and we only get one slot of those shows a month because of the spam of Teen Titans Go.
I rest my case.
I want you all to remember this.
The creators of the original Teen Titans and Powerpuff Girls were not involved with the Reboots.
The ones for Ben 10 are, so things can be entirely different, and from what I'm seeing, Cartoon Network might be going for a Saturday lineup with JLA and Ben 10, as their being promoted slowly together, that might be their goal for Fall 2016/Spring 2017. So it might be 11 minute shorts of action shows, like what we were expecting from "New Teen Titans", for now we just gotta have hope and not give up on it yet. There's still time, and we have not seen a trailer for either of them, nor have we seen enough content to say anything about them except for the fact that people don't like how it looks so far (aside me, cause I love it.)
Just don't lose hope yet til we get there, that's all I can tell you from here. I know some of you are all over the original series or Alien Force, but Ben 10 won't ever be like that again, and if you can't respect that, then don't even bother with it in general anymore, cause Ben 10 will always be changing and it will always keep going down different paths so it can respect its value for the audience its going for.But with this show, it might change to where its not like Powerpuff or TTG, it might prove to still be like Ben 10 itself, just give it time and be patient. cause we don't know what's going to happen.
For now, let's just pray outside the art style which might be better than what we think it is, that the show can top Omniverse and Ultimate Alien.
(And don't worry, I am respecting all your opinions, but just try to keep it in control til we get more information, okay?)
I agree, honestly what we need is the Galactic Roadtrip.
Because Ben 10 is supposed to be handled kinda like how DBZ is, like its always growing, aging, and the threats get worse and worse, while also caring about your supportive cast and watching them grow up. Mainly that part of it.
Rebooting was a good step, but if it were made years later, it wouldn't have been as crapped on. But its more of a show that should've been on during 2005, because that's what the show feels like to me, its too simple. Like the show isn't bad, but it would've been bigger back then.
I mean I can tell the Reboot was made for International Ben 10, not western, which is why the show is more like this, and if you've seen the advertisements and stuff on the eastern side, I think its more focused on what most people over there what they're wanting, more then what it really needs to be.
Honestly have Greg Weisman, Gennady Tartakovsky, and even Thomas Pugsley (OS/OV) take over the show from here, so we can get somewhere/more of a push to the series and I say it'll be better.
Hell I wouldn't mind keeping a lot of the writers they've had who've been writing the show since both it started and Alien Force, because a lot of those people wrote really good episodes. Like Matt Wayne, his writing really improved from Alien Force to Omniverse, and he's done a lot of superhero related episodes outside of that (Super Hero Squad, etc). Geoffrey Throne who gave us really unique episodes like Inspector 13, and also Final Countdown, which that episode was one of the most emotional ones of the series (mainly towards the ending.) and even Eugene Son, because he's wrote episodes for the series since OS, and he even took part in the 200th episode (the good part), like having writers like them on board, and others would be great for Ben 10 to have.
They also shouldn't try to ignore their aliens just because they hate them either. Like Omniverse is the only show that really didn't wanna use certain ones. I mean we get you have a limit, but you could at least show the most that you can, especially the great ones. Omniverse treated their aliens like garbage because they really didn't wanna use aliens from Alien Force except Rath. This show should use aliens from all their shows and not just try to forget their existence, heck even mentioning or making hologram and species cameos would at least for the series. UA at least designed every alien Ben ever went, he didn't go them but at least got a glimpse of what should've been.
Another thing about the aliens, The biggest problem I had is where they tried to make Wildvine and XLR8 more like Swampfire and Fasttrack so they have an excuse not to use them, which I didn't like, XLR8's high pitch voice, and what Wildvine has done recently in the Reboot. Like I said, I get you hate certain aliens, but don't just try to forget their existence and try to ruin yours more. (Cough, ChamAlien, Fasttrack, Jetray, Spitter, and recently Wildmutt (cough reboot))
Personally Netflix is the best option, Adult Swim takes 2 years to make 10 half hour episodes, and personally that wouldn't be the best option despite the fact they handle their shows with care. I mean both AS and Netflix do. They're the reasons why so many shows got brought in good ways, while most networks are failing to do so. (Mainly Cartoon Network and the live action CGI remakes we don't stop getting. Seriously Hollywood MAKE SOMETHING ORIGINAL.)
Sorry for that rant their guys. But yeah, I'm with Netflix, because 13-15 episodes every 10 months compared to 10 episodes every 2 years sounds better imo.
I can't tell what animation style is what anymore, they're flip flopping and making it confusing back and forth to the point where I am so confused. Cause we see one style, then another, then even another, like there's no accurate way to tell which design they're using cause we've seen like a Gen Rex, a Alvin & Chipmunks design, then a close-to-OS looking thing, then a BH6 resembling one, and now I see that... it's like... WHICH BEN IS ACCURATELY OUR UPCOMING BEN, CAUSE I CAN'T TELL ANYMORE!
Seriously, a trailer would solve all our problems at this point... or even a look at the toys, I'm js.
I know the Reboot is using its own design style, but I'm representing from what I've seen from previous things to help resemble what they represent towards me.
Either way I'm a little excited but still confused. LIKE SERIOUSLY!
SO APPARENTLY, This is Cartoon Networks Schedule Next Week:
I'm so annoyed at all those Teen Titans Go airings next week like 150, omg...
Ever since they hired this new scheduling guy in 2014, its been such a mess, so I've decided to made a better version of what should be CN's schedule (on windows paint), check it out! (I didn't edit the right bar though, but check it, doesn't my version look better?)
I also got this off Toonzone, I don't know where the other person originally got it, but I give credits to the person that did.
(It's too bad there was no Sonic Boom, Ben 10 or Bunnicula or I would've added that to the list, same with Pokemon 
)
Actually I wanna state this @ Tactical Ochoa.
Bandai has had a history of failing toy lines for shows, like a long one, because the same thing happened to Thundercats when it came back in 2011.
I think toy sells back then in general were just failing because YJ failed when it had a super strong fan base, Generator Rex wasn't that popular and its toy sales failed before its second wave of figures released.
But my point is, if you look at Bandai's history, with some merchandising, some stuff has failed in the past, and I think they switched to Playmates because TMNT was doing so well. So my best bet, people may buy those figures, but remember, A LOT OF PEOPLE HATE the Reboot, I don't think the toy sales will do any good if that many people hate the franchise.
Right now the only things people are paying attention to is Steven Universe, TMNT, how bad TTG is, and other trends that I don't really remember.
Ben 10 was big back then, but I don't think the Reboot is going to help it make it any bigger due to the change in Omniverse pissing a lot of people off, Therefore, until Ben 10 makes a show that's not like CN's current trend, it follows a more developing and anime-path like UAF, but without the DC feeling/Max-shoving off/alien-pushing episodes, then we may have something going. (Like Pokemon XYZ, Dragon Ball, whatever) Because Ben 10 being relied on kiddish stuff over and over is the worst for the franchise to rise to fame.
It may have died off, but tbh its not going anywhere.
I think the more hate this show gets, the more CN is actually planning to mess with us. TTG turned into crap just because we kept antagonizing how bad it is, when it really wasn't all that bad at the start, and because of our bragging, not only did that show turned bad, but CN itself decided to shove our most hated show in our faces.
But seriously, whoever is running CN's schedule right now, needs to stop spamming a show whatsoever, and actually go with something more fair ground like what I just made above. I know its all about money and merchandising, but if you just spam like one show because you know people are going to watch online, or because you know its your big money maker, you have tons of others too and if you just continue to do this, then obviously you're just purposely trying to ruin the network.
Not only that, but within the last couple years, CN went from 2.5 million viewers to only 1 million over. Its really bad for them, since even back in 2009 there was at least 3-5 million watching and now they can barely keep a million. They need to do something about this issue soon or they're going to risk killing the network themselves.
So I found out about a couple articles about the Reboot.
I'm only gonna reveal the new information and the info we've been wanting to hear for quite some time.
There were 3 articles I read this information on, but most of what I have is on here:
http://www.movienewsguide.com/cartoon-network-gears-ben-10-global-premiere/271390
Its because there's a lot of stupid people right now, that think any cartoon/anime that isn't from the 90s and 00s are considered horrible and stupid. While there are other people who think anything that's animated is for kids, and that older audiences shouldn't be watching it. I think that's just an issue in today's world, people thought this 30 years ago, but after a long stretch of time, that's changed. I think its just modern people now have changed back into those people from years ago where they're all stupid but now they're only sensitive to their own feelings rather than the feelings people had years ago. Its just somebody being dumb, don't worry about that, any cartoons is for all ages really.
Another example of dub people, there's this Pokemon user named Ryu Taylor who thrashes the entire japanese series and anyone who watches it, and tries to persuade people to watch the dub rather than the sub, and he means the modern dub that nobody watches and gets bashed on for being super bad, and it is super bad rn, js.
But yeah, we have a lot of people right now who are just being dumb and their kinda shifting back to how adults thought 20-30 years ago towards everything, which is why anything that's even being made now, or businesses being run now, its all turned becoming how it was a long time ago. We really need to set a reality check...
Greg Cipes is playing Stinkfly....
How do I know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B7xSWhmqbI
I would like to mention, for Adventure Time, this is basically a repeat of what they're doing with Uncle Grandpa.
No promotion, releasing it online and On Demand early.... yeah...
At least they cared to let Regular Show end, but Adventure Time and Uncle Grandpa, this proves without the shadow of a doubt, Cartoon Network doesn't care for their cartoons, just money, and it used to be very different than how it is now...
Now.... I just lost all respect for CN
So we got episodes 3 and 4,
Now if we can just get Episodes 1 and 2....
(I really wanna see Waterfilter and The Ring Leader)
We really should've seen this a long time ago
But last weekend's episode, Need For Speed is up!
https://www.watchcartoononline.io/ben-10-episode-18-need-for-speed
If we're getting a reboot, I want it yes to be more like OS, to actually fill up a lot of OS's shoes, have some relevance and hints, even maybe 1 alien and villain outside the original series, which thankfully we got both. A unique set of 10 which this one kind of is... but you also need fan favorites...
Also I don't want certain aliens to be recolored or over dramatically redesigned like Stinkfly. If aliens are supposed to have some things to keep the design unique, then it should be like that, because a lot of problems in terms of designs have to go for Stinkfly, Upgrade, Wildvine and "Overflow". Renaming Overflow was a stupid idea tbh, and dramatically changing his design while also being the same to make people think this is a "new alien" is a horrible excuse when the Reboot Stinkfly looks like a completely new alien, but gets the name "Stinkfly". Honestly it should've been a copy like Astrodactyl, Fasttrack and Eatle rather then a rehash of the alien. Also Wildvine not having his vines for legs, but on his armpits? and having plant powers, that further pushes Swampfire into being a copy when Wildvine's only main powers were stretching, fusing/cloaking himself into plants and shooting bombs. So the alien shift was dramatic. If they wanted to give us a new alien, it shouldn't have been someone who was already a rehash of somebody else, rather a complete new alien with a complete new design. And the aliens are supposed to look like aliens, not costume-like humans. My point is, as long as the aliens are a mixture of the original ones, have maybe some from UAF or Omniverse, and even a completely new alien, then I'll be fine, but the 10 has got to have people they recognize,
I also don't mind the action/comedy shift, but if writers would actually not rush half the episodes it would actually feel like they were taking their time with it, look at Steven Universe I mean. Personally I would've preferred half-hours, and that's what I will want the next time we get a Reboot. But if we're doing an action/comedy, another thing to add is to make it popular with all audiences instead of kids, because we need shows that can actually appeal to the adult audience, because adults watch cartoons more than kids now, but modern cartoons are trying so hard to push the nostalgic fans out that is making it impossible for people to watch cartoons, especially in a digital world like now. (Last thing, the comedy has to be good, not shit)
Another thing to talk about... casting, we need a good cast for the show, and though I admire a lot of the voice actors and voice changes, some of them just don't fit for Ben's aliens. If certain older voice actors wanna reprise their role, honestly let them unless they're unfit to voice the role anymore. Like a good example is Paul Eiding still wanted to play the voice of Max, and he's still fit for the role to play him. Though David Kaye is as close as we can probably get, we really wanna still have Eiding play him while he can still voice act. And for the aliens not sounding like aliens, the voice for Heatblast... even though now I'm adjusting to it (and that's saying A LOT) I still think we should've had something that matched the original or something as unique as OV. The only voices I've really admired for the Reboot atm is Diamondhead, "Overflow", Four Arms, Cannonbolt, Wildvine, Grey Matter and XLR8. It's because their improvements from Omniverse and they're also unique, hell they're improvements from UAF and some of their originals. I wish they honestly gotten more voice actors back from the past shows, because I think Dee should've returned for Stinkfly instead of spamming Greg Cipes in every cartoon we have (no offense for him), and again, for what I said with Heatblast, having Steve Blum return for his role would've made the show a little less hated on. I like they wanted to give the 10 aliens different voice actors, and that's a really good idea imo, its just we should've had the voices fit more for some of those aliens, or even give people the part to play 2 aliens since we don't even see Wildvine that much, and we're just NOW seeing Upgrade.
HERE'S A BIG THING I really think that should be said. Now I don't mind the animation for this Reboot, I think the main characters look completely unique, its just that almost every character we see looks like every Cartoon Network series out right now, and that's not unique. That and look at the coloring, the backgrounds look completely lazy with how colors are going everywhere, and there isn't even beds in the Rustbucket, and that's the really strange part about this. If we get a Reboot that's exactly like the original, well for one we need beds, and two the animation has to be spot on with the show, I mean if it wasn't for those orbs in the transformation, itself it would look very lazy. It technically already is lazy considering that in half the episode they just morph around while other episodes they actually spin in your face. You need something that's always moving, and modern animation is even trying 3D backgrounds right now, and a perfect example is the Pokemon anime (mainly XY/XYZ) or even a anime like Kill La Kill. We need a show that's always constantly moving for whether to show something off or even fight scenes so it can actually feel like something is really happening, and so that it looks amazing. If a Ben 10 show ever gotten accessed to that, that would do the show a favor, despite the professional writing it would gain like in the first 2 shows. (Let's face it, the third show as bland, the fourth show was a more wackier version of that, and the recent show... at times they got it but they really need help...)
The last thing I think a show should have is a story for every season or for 2 seasons, or even the whole show! Its worked out for Ben 10, even in the original, and in this show, we don't even know if we have a story, but the Weatherheads look like they'll be great villains if they were actually used a lot more in the show as serious villains. But what I want is something to actually make people think their taking this show seriously then spamming nostalgia down our throats, because we need a show that could be taken far more serious, especially since we have this big Plumber background that's being ignored in the Reboot.
But there you have it, to sum it up we just need a story, great animation, a unique and perfect cast, and other stuff. Ye.